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MrNubbz

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2618 on: April 23, 2020, 12:08:02 PM »
Man that looks like she is deliberately launching a louggie.Maybe at Party Officials in Wuhan
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2619 on: April 23, 2020, 12:09:20 PM »
Years ago Ohio had Environmental Exhaust checks for like 6 counties.The ones that Cleveland,Cinci,Columbus,Toledo,Akron and Dayton were in.Which was BS.Pollution is pollution fight it everywhere or not at all.Same here IMO if it's really contagious then strangle it on all fronts(in crowded conditions)
I disagree. Pollution is pollution, yes. But air quality controls != "pollution". Air quality is also impacted by density.

A bunch of rural folks with polluting trucks, where population density is extremely low, is not going to cause an air quality problem.

Those same folks rolling those trucks in Cleveland, when aggregate and added to all the other cars there adding particulates [even if not high-polluting] causes an air quality problem. 

Now, with COVID-19 it is a little different because one infected person going from a rural town to downtown Cleveland for one day could end up a superspreader and start a hot spot, whereas one polluting truck from a rural town spending a day in Cleveland won't make any measurable difference to air quality. 

However I do believe that given population density, usage of mass transit, etc, there might be reasons to treat this differently in different areas. While downtown Manhattan it might be reasonable to mandate mask usage any time you're outside, even here in my town of Mission Viejo (where population density is high by national standards) it wouldn't make sense. I can take my dog for a walk never coming within 20' of another person. But mandating mask usage when out at the grocery store or truly in "public" makes sense. 

I.e. what's necessary to "strangle it" may be different in different conditions.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2620 on: April 23, 2020, 12:14:44 PM »
We still have emissions control testing here in Illinois. It provides jobs for connected hacks who can't do anything else.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2621 on: April 23, 2020, 12:17:55 PM »
We still have emissions control testing here in Illinois. It provides jobs for connected hacks who can't do anything else.
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« Reply #2622 on: April 23, 2020, 12:20:46 PM »
It was nice not having emissions testing on the reservation.  I had a Jeep with no catalytic converter up there and it didn't matter.  I got a new car, so it's not an issue now, but like I said, there's a good chance it's the last gas engine car I buy.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2623 on: April 23, 2020, 12:27:06 PM »
feel free to give your rights away  but please leave mine in tact
I would totally agree with you here if the mask protection was reversed.  If wearing a mask was primarily for the wearer's benefit, you should be able to opt out, because you'd be risking your own health.  
But because it's primarily for other's benefit, and your opting out would be risking other's health, it's really their rights at play here.  You not wearing a mask puts them at greater risk.  


At least, that's the thinking behind it.  There's one thing I'll give my rights away for, and that's for the greater good.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2624 on: April 23, 2020, 12:31:56 PM »
I would totally agree with you here if the mask protection was reversed.  If wearing a mask was primarily for the wearer's benefit, you should be able to opt out, because you'd be risking your own health. 
But because it's primarily for other's benefit, and your opting out would be risking other's health, it's really their rights at play here.  You not wearing a mask puts them at greater risk. 


At least, that's the thinking behind it.  There's one thing I'll give my rights away for, and that's for the greater good. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2625 on: April 23, 2020, 12:32:27 PM »
I'm not really sanguine about "giving my rights" away as a general premise.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2626 on: April 23, 2020, 12:32:44 PM »
I disagree. Pollution is pollution, yes. But air quality controls != "pollution". Air quality is also impacted by density.
Perhaps but doesn't carbon monoxide in what ever amount work it's way up to the OZONE/atmosphere?I had read where motor vehicles produce half the of the carbon monoxide and nitrogen something or other dispenced into it.So nipping it in the bud would be important everywhere.Take care of the trees,have 4 of them around my house and the arborist said they are in fine shape 😎 .We've lived peacably together for over 20 yrs together.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2627 on: April 23, 2020, 12:35:57 PM »
there is no greater good more important then your rights
You've heard the old saying "your right to swing your fist stops at my nose", right? 

There are certain activities that are deemed so dangerous that the right to engage in them is proscribed because of the risk.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2628 on: April 23, 2020, 12:37:27 PM »
Nitrogen oxides of varying types, usually denoted NOx, are especially bad pollutants.  These are generated at higher combustion temperatures which is where engines are more efficient.

The three way catalyst is designed to limit their production in gasoline cars.  Newer Diesels have a urea injection system that mitigates the problem.  This is where VW got into deep trouble, they claimed to be able to meet targets without urea injection.  They tricked the test to do it.

Carbon monoxide is not much of an issue for a modern car.  They get clean burn anyway with fuel injection and what is left goes through the catalyst.  CO is more of a low level pollutant that can cause breathing issues.

Trees interestingly produce their own set of pollutants that create high ozone levels and that blue haze you see in the mountains in summer.

Seriously.  Trees pollute.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2629 on: April 23, 2020, 12:48:23 PM »
Nitrogen oxides of varying types, usually denoted NOx, are especially bad pollutants.  These are generated at higher combustion temperatures which is where engines are more efficient.
Ya what he said


Trees interestingly produce their own set of pollutants that create high ozone levels and that blue haze you see in the mountains in summer.
Seriously.  Trees pollute.
Ya in a million years or so when it becomes coal.Go under a canopy of trees on a blistering hot day.Then string a hammock up,then mix up one of those fancy drinks from the other thread you guys where talking about-I'd go with a Yuengling or even a Hudepohl if need be.Then stretch out in said Hammock and enjoy your pollution.And stop hitting me with those negative waves Moriarity
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2630 on: April 23, 2020, 12:48:39 PM »
I'm not really sanguine about "giving my rights" away as a general premise.
“sanguine”.   Nice word choice Cincy.  I like that word.  Certain words are more interesting.  “Loin” for example. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2631 on: April 23, 2020, 12:50:39 PM »
Man that looks like she is deliberately launching a louggie.Maybe at Party Officials in Wuhan
looks like she had too much bat soup and sake.  Blowing chunks!
she needs a 5 gallon bucket, not a mask
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