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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2310 on: April 19, 2020, 12:23:47 PM »
A glass partition would be better than a mask.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2311 on: April 19, 2020, 12:41:09 PM »
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/?outputType=amp&fbclid=IwAR1cApT7tj8JUAJnntEsHZXyFPCSjYxInrncG8nymx4BMUBdN58mSHOW3-0


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Nearly one third of 200 Chelsea residents who gave a drop of blood to researchers on the street this week tested positive for antibodies linked to COVID-19.
Sixty-four residents who had a finger pricked in Bellingham Square on Tuesday and Wednesday had antibodies that the immune system makes to fight off the coronavirus, according to Massachusetts General Hospital physicians who ran the pilot study.
The 200 participants generally appeared healthy



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2312 on: April 19, 2020, 12:59:25 PM »
Good stuff. you can’t prepare for a pandemic in 30 days. 

if your a large hospital, health system with multiple hospitals, or a large city like NYC or Chicago, you have a pandemic plan in place. A specific plan which includes predetermined number of beds, ventilators and masks. 
We know have learned that many did not have a plan, or in the case of NYC ignored the requirements of their own plan. We now see a published report for example- from a government task force for the state of NY- which Cuomo received in 2015! It specifically told him he was short 15000 ventilators, just to name one thing.
now I am not trying to pick on him, but imagine how different the numbers and perception would be had NYC been prepared.
to throw gas on the fire- the mayor and Health commissioner there were Strongly encouraging people to be out and using the subway- in FEBRUARY!
so this is where a lot of people like me, who are not particularly fond of Trump, tend to gravitate toward him when we see the media completely ignoring what I just told you and blaming him when he’s the one that set the travel ban in place on Jan 31, while the large cities were unprepared, and many of our media and experts like Fox, CNN, New York Times, Boston Globe, Washington Post- even the great Dr. Fauci himself who had all the data at that time- got it wrong and were downplaying the severity. 

I give them all a “c” given the false info being provided- including the President. 
I am agreeing with your comments about NYC. NYC bungled it too. I recall their reticence at closing public schools because of child care issues it would create. This when Italian hospitals were overwhelmed. NYC didn't close public schools until the same day Iowa closed them. But, NYC was so far ahead in in the advancement of the disease, whether they knew it or not, than Iowa. They should have known the increased risk given the proximity of people to each other, and that there is greater international travel to NYC than to Dubuque. That said, testing was and remains a big issue in the response to this crisis nationwide

Iowa's problems are now ramping up which will lead to nationwide problems if advancements in testing are not forthcoming, immediately. Three meat packing factories are shutdown in Iowa due to the virus. Two meat packing employees in Iowa  died from COVID-19. Plus Iowa has a major outbreak at a Tyson facility in Waterloo employing 3,000 people which is not yet shutdown. Iowa has a fifth meat packing plant that has a worker or workers testing positive that remains open.

We don't have the tests in this state to do what needs to be done to keep these facilities running. We need to test every worker, and possibly more than once at the Waterloo facility, and sort them into those who test who can work, and those who test positively who are sidelined. There are many asymptomatics and presymptomatics who are spreading it. We need the capacity to retest those who tested positively after 14-days. And, we need to be able to test workers families if family members fall ill. 

Meat packing, and food production in general, which Iowa has a lot of (ADM, General Mills, Quaker Oats), are the quintessential of the essential business type.  We need to ramp up testing, or face unimaginable consequence.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2313 on: April 19, 2020, 01:13:20 PM »
South Korea had drive-thru testing in like mid-Feb.  Our lack of testing = 2 important things:
1 - it means the % of the infected that die is very low, which is good, except...
2 - it means old people are truly screwed once people start going back to normal too soon
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2314 on: April 19, 2020, 01:28:56 PM »
Old people are going to have to remain quarantined.  They'll have to do it on their own.  It was always going to end up here.

I've had very detailed, serious conversations with my parents and my in-laws.  They're really smart people, too.  They know what the risks are.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2315 on: April 19, 2020, 02:30:56 PM »
Just back from Kroger (and the liquor store).  They are still out of TP amazingly.  The meat aisle was full as was everything else.

They had a plastic screen up by the register which I thought was good.

The elderly would include me by most metrics, but I'm in pretty good shape.  The homes for the elderly will have to be isolated obviously.  

We need, I think, broader testing among the rep pop in various parts of the country, including antibody testing.  This thing may be widely spread already.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2316 on: April 19, 2020, 02:34:44 PM »
 This thing may be widely spread already.
It's virtually certain.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2317 on: April 19, 2020, 02:49:15 PM »
That depends on what one means by widely spread of course, 20%, 50%, 80%?

Knowing that figure regionally would be important, especially with antibody testing.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2318 on: April 19, 2020, 03:16:34 PM »
Iowa's problems are now ramping up which will lead to nationwide problems if advancements in testing are not forthcoming, immediately. Three meat packing factories are shutdown in Iowa due to the virus. Two meat packing employees in Iowa  died from COVID-19. Plus Iowa has a major outbreak at a Tyson facility in Waterloo employing 3,000 people which is not yet shutdown. Iowa has a fifth meat packing plant that has a worker or workers testing positive that remains open.
I've been reading that this has been hitting the pork markets HARD.

Not the plant shutdowns, but the fact that the bulk of bacon and rib sales are to hotel/restaurant customers, not to homes. With so many of them closed or getting absolutely minimal business, apparently prices are hitting the floor. 

So it's a good time to be on the lookout for ribs and pork belly at Costco...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2319 on: April 19, 2020, 03:18:29 PM »
The local butcher is your friend. Mine raises his own animals, so.. good.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2320 on: April 19, 2020, 04:04:42 PM »
I've been reading that this has been hitting the pork markets HARD.

Not the plant shutdowns, but the fact that the bulk of bacon and rib sales are to hotel/restaurant customers, not to homes. With so many of them closed or getting absolutely minimal business, apparently prices are hitting the floor.

So it's a good time to be on the lookout for ribs and pork belly at Costco...
One grain farmer called me two days ago telling how one of his acquaintances was considering digging a trench to euthanize his pigs, as he was having a problem finding a market for them and there are new ones coming in. There is only so much time they have to market their market hogs.
He told me another story about someone selling cattle who had cattle en route to a buyer, and got a call while they were en route, to turn around . . . they couldn't take them. It is affecting producers, already. Fortunately we have a very large locker plant locally, almost could be categorized as a meat packing plant, that sells meats to the public. Not sure how quickly they can ramp up production if it becomes necessary. Yes, the local butcher is your friend.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2321 on: April 20, 2020, 12:01:23 AM »
doesn't seem to be a lot of emphasis on the fact that NYC has a massive public transit system,  still open, and instead the Times is wringing its hands about people driving six miles in Chattanooga to go to a store.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2322 on: April 20, 2020, 12:04:59 AM »
doesn't seem to be a lot of emphasis on the fact that NYC has a massive public transit system,  still open, and instead the Times is wringing its hands about people driving six miles in Chattanooga to go to a store.

Huh.  Curious isn't it?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2323 on: April 20, 2020, 07:02:29 AM »
Huh.  Curious isn't it?

Not at all.  Totally predictable.  
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