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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1946 on: April 15, 2020, 07:10:14 PM »
I think you're ignoring the real problem.
There are steps we could take to make this statement less true or eventually, untrue.  It doesn't have to be a given. 
That clickbait headline isn’t remotely close to being true. We aren’t social distancing and sheltering in place until 2022. Never happen in a billion years.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1948 on: April 15, 2020, 08:09:26 PM »
That clickbait headline isn’t remotely close to being true. We aren’t social distancing and sheltering in place until 2022. Never happen in a billion years.



Again, you're missing the real problem......you're ignoring why clickbait exists in the first place.  Why it works.  How to combat that.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1949 on: April 15, 2020, 08:14:35 PM »

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/14/834109166/where-did-the-coronavirus-originate-virus-hunters-find-genetic-clues-in-bats

I found this to be quite interesting.
Given that infectious and zoonotic diseases have been on the rise for decades, Wang is frustrated by the fact that countries around the world failed to understand the impact this novel coronavirus outbreak would have.

"I'm so angry right now. This COVID-19 outbreak, before January 20th, you could say it's China's fault. The Chinese government. But after January 20th, the rest of the world is still not taking it seriously. Our political system, our diplomatic system, our international relationship system is just not ready," Wang said.

January 20th is when Chinese health officials confirmed the new coronavirus could be transmitted between humans — and the World Health Organization kicked into high gear to evaluate the global risk. There were more than 200 cases then.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1950 on: April 15, 2020, 09:03:02 PM »
The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center has transfused the first patient in central and northern Ohio with plasma from a recovered COVID-19 patient.

The transfusion is part of a nationwide effort to provide this plasma, also known as convalescent plasma, to people who are ill with life-threatening COVID-19 disease. People who’ve recovered from COVID-19 often have antibodies – proteins in the blood – that could possibly attack the virus. Ohio State researchers will also study the donated plasma to learn which antibodies perform best.


https://news.osu.edu/new-treatment-uses-plasma-from-recovered-covid-19-patients-at-ohio-state/
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1951 on: April 15, 2020, 09:10:14 PM »
On Tuesday, General Motors revealed that its first ventilators are ready for delivery. The automaker has a contract with the US Department of Health and Human Services to license-build 30,000 Ventec Life Systems V+ Pro critical care ventilators, following criticism by President Donald Trump in March when he accused the company of "wasting time." These ventilators are designed to treat the most critically ill patients, who need invasive intubation (tubes inserted into the lungs) as opposed to non-invasive machines like CPAP or BiPAP devices, which are also often referred to as ventilators.

GM says that it will ship the first 600 ventilators by the end of April, with "almost half the order" ready by the end of June and the full 30,000 by the end of August.


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hopefully, these won't be needed

makes me wonder where the first 600 are going - I haven't heard there is a critical shortage this week
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1952 on: April 15, 2020, 09:37:45 PM »
On Tuesday, General Motors revealed that its first ventilators are ready for delivery. The automaker has a contract with the US Department of Health and Human Services to license-build 30,000 Ventec Life Systems V+ Pro critical care ventilators, following criticism by President Donald Trump in March when he accused the company of "wasting time." These ventilators are designed to treat the most critically ill patients, who need invasive intubation (tubes inserted into the lungs) as opposed to non-invasive machines like CPAP or BiPAP devices, which are also often referred to as ventilators.

GM says that it will ship the first 600 ventilators by the end of April, with "almost half the order" ready by the end of June and the full 30,000 by the end of August.


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hopefully, these won't be needed

makes me wonder where the first 600 are going - I haven't heard there is a critical shortage this week
ventilators made by General Motors

theres got to be a joke there

ok all you stand up comedians get to work
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1953 on: April 15, 2020, 10:42:49 PM »
Given that infectious and zoonotic diseases have been on the rise for decades, Wang is frustrated by the fact that countries around the world failed to understand the impact this novel coronavirus outbreak would have.

"I'm so angry right now. This COVID-19 outbreak, before January 20th, you could say it's China's fault. The Chinese government. But after January 20th, the rest of the world is still not taking it seriously. Our political system, our diplomatic system, our international relationship system is just not ready," Wang said.

January 20th is when Chinese health officials confirmed the new coronavirus could be transmitted between humans — and the World Health Organization kicked into high gear to evaluate the global risk. There were more than 200 cases then.
That is bullshit. It is 100% China's fault. Secret internal Chinese government documents show they knew on January 14th there was a pandemic occurring in Wuhan and that this thing was transmissible person to person, and the Chinese government waited 6 days- until January 20th to inform the world that hey- this thing transmits person to person and we've got a big problem brewing.

Six days. Why? And during those 6 days, the Chinese government allowed tens of thousands of people to attend a public banquet in Wuhan and millions more of Chinese people to travel all over China/the world for Chinese Lunar New Year celebrations.

Taiwan was pressuring the WHO and telling the WHO on December 29th that they have evidence that this thing transmits person to person. The WHO told Taiwan to f##k off and continued to hold water for China and parrot Chinese propaganda on this virus and were tweeting out as late as January 14th- hey this thing doesn't transmit person to person- don't ban travel and trade with China! No big deal! F###king bastards.

https://apnews.com/68a9e1b91de4ffc166acd6012d82c2f9

https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html

As you can see from that wonderful Axios timeline- there was a study done by a university in the UK- had China acted 3 weeks earlier- this thing would've been 95% contained. What did China do? They dragged their feet, they lied about it, withheld crucial information for a week not once- but twice, kicked out Western journalists, destroyed evidence, and silenced whistle-blowers and murdered Doctors that were trying to warn the world.

China Lied. People Died. They must be taken to task for the death and economic destruction they have reaped upon the world. Everyone can say we should've done X, Y, and Z- but once that virus spreads you can't stop it. Too late. China allowed this thing to spread and did nothing but try to cover it up and lie about it and disappear whistle blowers and murder Doctors and destroy evidence.

The CCP needs to be destroyed. Time for regime change in Beijing.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1955 on: April 15, 2020, 11:24:34 PM »
6 key days my dying ass

those bastards knew about this crap on January 1st if not weeks before that!
They knew about this thing in November.

The 6 days I was referring too- that was when they knew for certain that it spreads human to human and that they were in the thick of a bad pandemic. They sat on that info for 6 days before they mentioned it to the world. Just like they sequenced the genome of the virus on Jan. 1st and sat on that info for I think 9 days before they shared it with the world.

They are evil, lying, bastards.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1956 on: April 15, 2020, 11:26:00 PM »
I good news, I got my $1200 today

I wrote a check for $600 and sent to my daughter that is attending college and out of a job.

she won't get her full amount because I claim her as a dependant
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1957 on: April 15, 2020, 11:46:04 PM »
That clickbait headline isn’t remotely close to being true. We aren’t social distancing and sheltering in place until 2022. Never happen in a billion years.



Headline seems pretty true.

It says a scientist predicts that it may happen. Which the scientist indeed does.

I guess that's news, a topic that baits you into clicking on it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1958 on: April 16, 2020, 01:24:05 AM »
None. As I said in a different debate recently... Whenever possible, try to go beyond the headline, beyond the article, and to get as close to the original source as possible.

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How many journalists who are trying to rush a story to print have time to read a 40-page legal opinion, truly digest and understand the nuance, and accurately get that to print, not just a 400 word outrage piece about how the decision is going to destroy America? Even more important, how many of their readers actually want nuance and accuracy over sensationalism?

They're playing to their audience. The American People. Who are an easily-led, barely-thinking mob that don't have time for nuance or accuracy, and just want to receive enough information to make themselves believe that they're informed. And usually do so only in the most confirmation-bias enhancing way, only taking information from the sources they already agree with completely uncritically and dismissing any opposing source as flawed.

So what does the MSM do? They craft "a tale told by an idiot [reporter], full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing."


In short, my ire for the entire profession of journalism is to find a journalist who has deep expertise in what they're writing about is usually impossible. Technology writers rarely come from an engineering or even a technical marketing background where they had to work in their subject matter every day. Legal journalists rarely have law degrees; if they did they'd make more money practicing law. Medical journalists rarely have medical degrees; if they did they'd make more money practicing medicine.

Often they're non-experts trying to cover a subject with incredible depth and nuance and get it across to a reader [also a non-expert] in a very limited format, and their paycheck isn't driven by accuracy; it's driven by circulation [or in the modern world, advertising/clicks]. And who's going to make sure they're accurate? Their editor? Not at all--he's just as much a non-expert as everyone else in the chain.

So there's no real inherent check and balance to ensure accuracy. So there's no real reason to believe that the accuracy is very good; hence going to original sources whenever possible.

I've brought up this quote by Michael Crichton regarding he and physicist Murray Gell-Mann before, summarizing what he calls the "Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect":

I've seen this over and over in my own industry, data storage. I see people who earn their living writing ONLY about data storage making completely wrong arguments, completely misinterpreting data, and drawing completely wrong conclusions thereby.

Not all of them. There are good ones and bad ones, and anyone IN the industry can tell the difference. For the lay people outside our industry? They don't know which ones are talking sense and which ones are full of it.

So when I read a subject in which I have no inherent expertise, how can I tell which journalists are accurate and which ones are full of it? Only by going to original sources and trying to determine if the journalist is accurately relaying what was in the original source. MANY, MANY, MANY times I find that they've completely missed the point and relayed it badly--if they ever read it at all.
I see it in military subjects all the time.  In print and on TV.  The reporter doesn't know a rifle from a grenade launcher, a tank from a self-propelled howizter, an F-35 from an F-16 . . . etc.
Ironically, Michael Crichton has been guilty of the same thing.  The only novel of his I ever tried to read was Congo, and it had a C-130 Hercules as the world's largest airplane and a "UH-2 Huey" helicopter in it.
I put the book down at that point and never picked it up again.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1959 on: April 16, 2020, 01:46:39 AM »
CCP still covering it up. 


https://youtu.be/a-GVcfP1zrg




should we really be surprised? CCP killed countless tens of millions of it’s own citizens during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, they’ve been occupying Tibet for 70 years, they’ve silenced dissenters and slaughtered protestors in Hong Kong, they’ve been persecuting members of the Falun Gong religious sect for the last 20 years- throwing them in jail, killing them and harvesting their organs just because. Oh yeah not to mention they claim Taiwan and block Taiwan from joining the UN, WHO, and WTO. 

Oh yeah, they also have a million plus Muslim Uighurs in concentration camps. 

Why does the US do so much business with those assholes again? Time to pull out of China. 

 

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