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MrNubbz

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1596 on: April 09, 2020, 11:12:56 AM »

That's why I worry that if we do a good job, everyone will say: "Ha! I was right! We overreacted!"
IMO no,it's rattled enough cages that only those baffled and blighted won't take notice.For instance I went to buy EverClear - the old cheap grain alcohol - gone except the price tag.And it wasn't cheap,like 47.00,so even the down and outs are paying attention
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1597 on: April 09, 2020, 11:33:39 AM »
IMO no,it's rattled enough cages that only those baffled and blighted won't take notice.For instance I went to buy EverClear - the old cheap grain alcohol - gone except the price tag.And it wasn't cheap,like 47.00,so even the down and outs are paying attention
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1598 on: April 09, 2020, 11:46:50 AM »
I numbered the stuff above to make the response a bit clearer

1. If you think this is impossible, then naming any cause of death is sort of meaningless. You could die with AIDS, but you'll never die FROM AIDS, none the less, lots of people contracting it would be an issue. And if COD has no meaning when it comes  to anything with a slightly systemic element, then most deaths will just be listed as "a lot of things."

2. As I read, there were a bunch of bureaucratic issues with the boat, issues with admitting, policies, hospital to hospital transfer. I believe it was reported ambulances couldn't just roll up to the thing with fresh patents for some reasons.

3. It would be interesting to have that chart of overall deaths to look for a jump. Unsure if that data is tabulated live. I found some data from 2017 that about 7,700 people die a day. So the napkin math would get interesting there.

4. Who was the doctor and what was the news show? I would certianly allow for the idea that there might be some weird incentives. But if you assume lots of hospital systems are overhyping a global pandemic for profit, it would be weird to turn around and trust any doctor and hospital. And as a man who would be susceptible, I assume you trust some medical folks. (If this were the case, I can’t imagine some chunk of the medical community wouldn’t speak out super loudly. I know in my area, the hospitals are taking some level of a hit because everything elective, i.e. a lot of money makers, are all on hold)

5. You’re telling me you have some high-end comorbidities, and that it is important to not get it, but if you got it and things went south, it likely wouldn’t be because of the disease? (referring back to No. 1) Anyway, it seems like this is a process of believing this is overblown and looking for reasons that’s the case. The level of skepticism toward something saying it could be so serious is raised to levels that are almost unreachable. And that’s fine, but it might end with a high level of skepticism toward the little bits of evidence that support the idea it’s overblown.

This also underplays the effect on the economy if it is in fact bad. If we let it roll super unchecked, our hospitals would get pretty hammered, as they’re close to that already. And if you know you can get sick, and you see images of people on cots lining a hospital hallway, you’re not trying to congregate. So in the end, you’re only talking about the degree the economy gets hit, not if it takes a large hit.

If it turns out to be not much worse than the normal flu run, that’ll be great. It’ll mean the death count at the end is considerably below the average flu season (as insane precautions have been taken). And if that’s the case, then we won’t do this again going forward. (Ebola is not in the same class as those other diseases, as it is much harder to contract and worlds more virulent. It seems as if this particular virus spreads much more rapidly than those others)

1. I believe that COVID deaths are being greatly overstated. You don't, that's cool. Agree to disagree.

2. If NYC was so desperate for hospital beds, as the public officials kept saying, they would have cut through the red tape and transported these patients to the ship. The fact is, they did not do that. And then Gov Cuomo suggested yesterday in his daily press conference, that suddenly not many people are dying from heart attacks and other medical emergencies as they have before the outbreak. Coincidence? 

3. All I am saying here is that it would appear that people dying of things like strokes or heart attacks, are now being reclassified as COVID deaths. So are we really experiencing an extremely large number of deaths from this or is it people playing with the numbers?

4. I really don't know who the doctor was as I had just gotten out of the shower and could hear the news playing on the TV from the bathroom. I wish I could tell you more than that. However, it should at least raise the question about how hospitals are being reimbursed for COVID patients that I believe is being ignored. 

5. I have skepticism about anything that the news media spouts about 24/7. I listen to information, read what is available and then make my decisions. So far, everything is telling me that this thing is being blown out of proportion. The news media does it for sensationalism. The government officials like the power trip they are on. And I believe that Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx are looking at this from a purely medical perspective. It is not their job to worry about the affects on the economy. However, we need someone that DOES put it into perspective before we bankrupt most of the small businesses in this country. 

I for one, am not going to cower under the bed, waiting for the all clear. I believe that we can open the economy back up while employing a little common sense. If your sick or have a fever, stay home. Practice good hygiene and be responsible for yourself, just like we do during flu season.  


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1599 on: April 09, 2020, 12:20:13 PM »
I would guess they are being overstated, but not greatly, as in doubling.  They also could be understated for obvious reasons in some situations.

We have about 400,000 cases "confirmed" thus far and about 13,000 deaths.

One person dies every 37 seconds in the United States from cardiovascular disease.1

That is 2300+ per day.  That rate might drop temporarily because people are in a less stressful situation right now.  But if even half those were mischaracterized as COVID, the impact would obviously be significant.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1600 on: April 09, 2020, 12:28:14 PM »
Shudder

I had some of that before my first UW hockey game. It was not a proud evening.
Evidently it's great at killing viruses,specially the 190.Thought I might get some on the cheap - not happening.Have plenty of bleach though - that is killing me.Did you play Hockey at UW?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1601 on: April 09, 2020, 12:32:43 PM »
In normal distillation you can only get to 190 proof, 95% ethyl alcohol.  The rest is water.  It's the best you can do without some special gear and other chemicals like benzene in a distillation.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1602 on: April 09, 2020, 12:36:07 PM »
60% or greater is what you need to kill off the bugs.  So normal liquors around 80 proof won't do it, but Bacardi 151 should.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1603 on: April 09, 2020, 12:49:21 PM »
Even 80 proof will kill nearly all "bugs", it may just take a bit longer.  Soap and water are more effective.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1604 on: April 09, 2020, 12:51:28 PM »
Evidently it's great at killing viruses,specially the 190.Thought I might get some on the cheap - not happening.Have plenty of bleach though - that is killing me.Did you play Hockey at UW?
No, just as a fan. I was in a non-student section and screaming high-end profanity. 

Later I threw up pizza on the sidewalk down the street from the capitol. Ahh to be 18.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1605 on: April 09, 2020, 12:56:46 PM »
No, just as a fan. I was in a non-student section and screaming high-end profanity.

Later I threw up pizza on the sidewalk down the street from the capitol. Ahh to be 18.
To be 18 again,when we were young and some one bought a keg for the weekend - we'd set it in a big galvinized tub.Then hit the local rinks after the Zamboni's made a run - best ice ever and free.Every now and then you'd fine some one munching on it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1606 on: April 09, 2020, 01:24:10 PM »
Even 80 proof will kill nearly all "bugs", it may just take a bit longer.  Soap and water are more effective.
Exactly. After the crazy runs on hand sanitizer, people realized that soap basically destroys the virus' protein coating and it's actually more effective than alcohol. 

But yeah, hand sanitizers were reported as needing to be >60% alcohol to be effective.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1607 on: April 09, 2020, 01:29:16 PM »
Exactly. After the crazy runs on hand sanitizer, people realized that soap basically destroys the virus' protein coating and it's actually more effective than alcohol.

But yeah, hand sanitizers were reported as needing to be >60% alcohol to be effective.

I still don't think people realize that, there are still crazy runs on hand sanitizer around the country.

To be fair, it's easier to wipe my hands with sanitizer whilst in the car after a trip to the store, than it is to wash my hands with soap and water.

But, our family already did that all the time anyway, so all vehicles are well stocked with sanitizer and wipes.  No panic buying from me.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1608 on: April 09, 2020, 01:40:46 PM »
I've always had sanitizer in the car too. Of course, I haven't driven my car in probably a month or so.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1609 on: April 09, 2020, 02:21:50 PM »
Yeah we're not going through it very quickly at all, these days...

 

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