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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14392 on: July 30, 2021, 06:54:28 PM »
In another dispiriting setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots.

Health officials on Friday released details of that research, which was key in this week’s decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to recommend that vaccinated people return to wearing masks indoors in parts of the U.S. where the delta variant is fueling infection surges. The authors said the findings suggest that the CDC’s mask guidance should be expanded to include the entire country, even outside of hot spots.

The findings have the potential to upend past thinking about how the disease is spread. Previously, vaccinated people who got infected were thought to have low levels of virus and to be unlikely to pass it to others. But the new data shows that is not the case with the delta variant.

The outbreak in Provincetown — a seaside tourist spot on Cape Cod in the county with Massachusetts’ highest vaccination rate — has so far included more than 900 cases. About three-quarters of them were people who were fully vaccinated.


https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d9504519a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14393 on: July 30, 2021, 07:16:54 PM »
In another dispiriting setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots.

Health officials on Friday released details of that research, which was key in this week’s decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to recommend that vaccinated people return to wearing masks indoors in parts of the U.S. where the delta variant is fueling infection surges. The authors said the findings suggest that the CDC’s mask guidance should be expanded to include the entire country, even outside of hot spots.

The findings have the potential to upend past thinking about how the disease is spread. Previously, vaccinated people who got infected were thought to have low levels of virus and to be unlikely to pass it to others. But the new data shows that is not the case with the delta variant.

The outbreak in Provincetown — a seaside tourist spot on Cape Cod in the county with Massachusetts’ highest vaccination rate — has so far included more than 900 cases. About three-quarters of them were people who were fully vaccinated.


https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d9504519a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1
the key here is "got the breakthrough infection" 

how many out of how many got a breakthrough infection

until they release that info I really think this is much ado about nothing and is being used politically to require a return to lockdowns
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14394 on: July 30, 2021, 07:27:04 PM »
upon further investigation it appears that out of 164 million fully vaccinated aprox 125,000 have gotten a breakthough infection

Aprox 6,000 of these breakthrough cases required hospitalization

of that aprox 1,400 have died

so the question is does this justify returning to a masked locked down society

I dont think so
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14395 on: July 30, 2021, 08:56:52 PM »
Picking out two highly populated areas of the world - Thailand & Indonesia - where Covid hadn't made a notable impact until later in the game:





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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14396 on: July 30, 2021, 09:01:51 PM »
Indonesia is not using the same vaccines as is being used in the US
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14397 on: July 31, 2021, 07:45:41 AM »
upon further investigation it appears that out of 164 million fully vaccinated aprox 125,000 have gotten a breakthough infection

Aprox 6,000 of these breakthrough cases required hospitalization

of that aprox 1,400 have died

so the question is does this justify returning to a masked locked down society

I dont think so
So, 0.08% of the fully vaccinated have gotten infected. Of those, critical metrics are:

4.8% hospitalized
1.1% died

So, if you are vaccinated, your risk of hospitalization is 0.003% and your risk of death is 0.0008%.

And we're gonna mask up and lock down again?


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14398 on: July 31, 2021, 08:26:35 AM »
Vax rate in Florida tripled in the past week. State is sitting at 61% now. 

This is good news.

Seems like this delta thing is causing the more reluctant people to start the vax process.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14399 on: July 31, 2021, 08:36:37 AM »
If the potted plant would stop releasing illegal immigrants into Texas then Texas might have better numbers
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14400 on: July 31, 2021, 08:55:39 AM »
If the potted plant would stop releasing illegal immigrants into Texas then Texas might have better numbers
They are also coming to Florida - by the bus loads. The Fed is sticking them here. I don't know how the 70% number was derived.

Regardless, it's disturbing to me, because they are not being tested before being "distributed" throughout the country.


DeSantis claims 70% of migrants are heading to Florida (msn.com)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14401 on: July 31, 2021, 10:01:24 AM »
send the vaccine to the border

take the vaccine or go back south
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14402 on: July 31, 2021, 10:06:31 AM »
send the vaccine to the border

take the vaccine or go back south
that would require some leadership from Washington DC
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14403 on: July 31, 2021, 10:10:17 AM »
or just common sense from politicians 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14404 on: July 31, 2021, 10:14:31 AM »
or just common sense from certain politicians
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14405 on: July 31, 2021, 10:22:59 AM »
you are kidding, right?

besides, the politics thread is that way ---------->
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