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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13048 on: March 22, 2021, 12:12:07 PM »
The wife and neighbor had none, or close to it, I was tired for 12 hours or so after each, all three Pfizers.

I have not spoken with anyone yet who had much of a side effect (beyond a desire to speak French coupled with an inability).
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13049 on: March 22, 2021, 12:20:00 PM »
My wife had no real side effects to either shot1 or shot2, just a little soreness at the injection site.  Moderna FTR.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13050 on: March 22, 2021, 12:32:12 PM »
It's been a year since I had Covid. It will be interesting to see how my body reacts to it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13051 on: March 22, 2021, 12:58:46 PM »
Third Covid wave hits Europe, France, Germany eye more lockdowns (cnbc.com)

A month-long partial lockdown was reintroduced in Paris Saturday, as well as in 15 other regions in France, in an effort to get on top of rising case numbers, largely attributed to new, more infectious Covid variants.

The latest partial lockdown is less stringent than previous ones, however, prompting some to question the point of such a move, while others have said that the new measures are confusing. A curfew is still in place and inter-regional travel remains effectively banned. Around 21 million people in France are affected by the new rules.


My step daughter returned home last week to come under this where they live.  I find it ironic that Europeans are more vaccine resistant than Americans, according to polls, Poles especially.

Some folks admire Europe and think it better than the US (which is true in some ways in  my opinion).

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13052 on: March 22, 2021, 01:11:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 22, 2021, 12:58:46 PM
Third Covid wave hits Europe, France, Germany eye more lockdowns (cnbc.com)

A month-long partial lockdown was reintroduced in Paris Saturday, as well as in 15 other regions in France, in an effort to get on top of rising case numbers, largely attributed to new, more infectious Covid variants.

The latest partial lockdown is less stringent than previous ones, however, prompting some to question the point of such a move, while others have said that the new measures are confusing. A curfew is still in place and inter-regional travel remains effectively banned. Around 21 million people in France are affected by the new rules.


My step daughter returned home last week to come under this where they live.  I find it ironic that Europeans are more vaccine resistant than Americans, according to polls, Poles especially.

Some folks admire Europe and think it better than the US (which is true in some ways in  my opinion).



There are definitely things I like in Europe more than in the USA.  French wine for example.

What I always find amusing, though, is the Americans that believe Europeans are somehow smarter or more enlightened or less racist than Americans.  That's an odd idealization of a region, and in my experience it's always coming from people that have never actually spent any significant amount of time in Europe. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13053 on: March 22, 2021, 01:27:28 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 22, 2021, 01:11:34 PM
There are definitely things I like in Europe more than in the USA.  French wine for example.

What I always find amusing, though, is the Americans that believe Europeans are somehow smarter or more enlightened or less racist than Americans.  That's an odd idealization of a region, and in my experience it's always coming from people that have never actually spent any significant amount of time in Europe.
Theres lots of French folks that feel that way too
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13054 on: March 22, 2021, 01:35:46 PM »
Not to be political, in in general, liberals admire how Europe does things and wants to emulate how they think Europe does stuff.  Vis a vis COVID, there is a "theme" that the US really screwed up badly and Europe did it right.  As usual, I think a lot of this comes from "Form the conclusion and then seek data to confirm it (and ignore the rest)."

We've discussed the various differences between the US and Europe.  Most of Europe is less federalized than is the US system of government.  The FrenchK-12 schools are all nationally run, not locally.  Their President has a lot more power than ours.  There was dispute here about how much a President COULD do beyond give advice.

A lot of "us" view the world through a partisan lens, which in my view is ultimately dangerous.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13055 on: March 22, 2021, 02:56:29 PM »
How many of the US population will need at least 1 vaccination for herd immunity to start having a major roll
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13056 on: March 22, 2021, 03:03:25 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 22, 2021, 02:56:29 PM
How many of the US population will need at least 1 vaccination for herd immunity to start having a major roll

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13057 on: March 22, 2021, 03:06:32 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 22, 2021, 02:56:29 PM
How many of the US population will need at least 1 vaccination for herd immunity to start having a major roll
I've seen estimates that at around 40% is starts to make a dent.  Combined with "natural resistance", we're near that today I think.  We've mostly vaccinated the elderly who aren't "out and about" at Spring Break as much as the youth though.

The first Pfizer shot evidently gets you to about 70% in a week.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13058 on: March 22, 2021, 03:50:40 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 22, 2021, 03:06:32 PM
I've seen estimates that at around 40% is starts to make a dent.  Combined with "natural resistance", we're near that today I think.  We've mostly vaccinated the elderly who aren't "out and about" at Spring Break as much as the youth though.

The first Pfizer shot evidently gets you to about 70% in a week.
so lets be conservative and say 60% of total US population Im estimating at 355,000,000

this translates into 213,00,000

The current number of people in the US with at least 1 shot is 80,000,000

leaving 133,000,000 before herd immunity is a major factor 

If we are vaccinating 2 to 3 million people per day it will be reached in aprox 65 days

or by May 26

anyway IMHO
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13059 on: March 22, 2021, 03:59:21 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 22, 2021, 03:50:40 PM
so lets be conservative and say 60% of total US population Im estimating at 355,000,000

this translates into 213,00,000

The current number of people in the US with at least 1 shot is 80,000,000

leaving 133,000,000 before herd immunity is a major factor

If we are vaccinating 2 to 3 million people per day it will be reached in aprox 65 days

or by May 26

anyway IMHO

It doesn't look like you're including the people who have already had it and recovered, who should also be contributing to herd immunity.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13060 on: March 22, 2021, 04:15:51 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 22, 2021, 03:59:21 PM
It doesn't look like you're including the people who have already had it and recovered, who should also be contributing to herd immunity.


right and I also dont know that true number and I also dont know how many recovered have also been vaccinated

so if your argument is that my number might be high or the herd immunity day might be sooner

I agree my number is conservative because as an accountant in another life thats my nature
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13061 on: March 22, 2021, 04:16:03 PM »
I had Pfizer shot on Saturday.   My arm wasn't as sore as it would be for a tetanus shot or even a flu vaccine.    Haven't noticed anything else.  
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