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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1232 on: April 04, 2020, 06:54:55 PM »
I hope you are right.  It would be good to have a prosperous Mexico on our southern border.
I've said this for the past couple decades, ever since I became involved in high tech manufacturing.

Mexico has tremendous natural resources.  I'm not saying that helping Mexico develop would be cheap, or easy, but just imagine committing all of the resources we've dedicated to the war on drugs, or border walls, into developing the infrastructure in Mexico and other Latin American countries instead.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1233 on: April 04, 2020, 06:59:00 PM »
If you really wanted to start a war in China, the U.S. could make Taiwan into another South Korea.  That would neceessitate a major retaliation from them.  It'd be like their Cuban missile crisis. 
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Now, set aside how war is bad and all the deaths would be terrible, but aren't you interested in seeing the U.S. in a war with an established country to see just how far ahead of everyone we are?  Part of our bloated defense budget makes it so we're so far ahead of everyone else, we're like Superman in a china shop (no pun intended).  The first Gulf War was easily won with kid gloves.  Battling Al Queda and ISIS has been like going through a kid's hair with a lice comb.
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Who would step up to the plate and declare war on us, country vs country?  China is too smart to do that.
Here's a chart of our bloated defense budget over the last 60 years as a percentage of GDP.  If you make it as a percentage of our federal budget, then the decline is even steeper, because the federal budget is consuming a much larger share of GDP than it has since WWII ended.

You want to find the bloat in our budget, look somewhere else.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1234 on: April 04, 2020, 06:59:40 PM »
Holy shit where do I start. The only people I heard calling this a hoax were the health commissioner of the city of New York, the mayor of New York, the Boston Globe the Washington Post and the New York Times. So you got that one completely wrong. And please don’t tell me the president said that because for actually that never came close to happening and I can prove it.
Also you may notice that the worst place in the United States and in fact the world for this virus is the epicenter of liberalism which is the north east section of the United States. Do you want to make stupid assumptions? It’s where they allow illegal immigration in sanctuary cities and people living on top of each other. Please don’t try to project your bullshit theories on the rest of us
Great post. 

Cold hard truth is NYC is a decaying shithole that’s been run into the ground for decades. I was just there last October to visit my buddy who lives and works in Manhattan. I was amazed at how disgusting and dirty and terrible it’s subway system was in comparison to a place like Paris. 

You have all these unreal private mega developments going on there for the wealthy and it’s become nothing but a playground for the wealthy and then basically kind of a dirty shithole for the regular folk. There aren’t regular people there anymore. Everyone has been priced out. A shithole 800 sq ft studio in Brooklyn will cost you like $2,000 a month. It’s insane.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1235 on: April 04, 2020, 07:02:22 PM »
The core reason we spend so much on "defense" is the ability to project power.  Look at how many fleet aircraft carriers the rest of the world has.  Zero.

We have ten.  Those are meant to protect sea lanes so we can "safely" ship men and supplies across oceans.  No other country can do that.  It's very expensive to retain that capability.  If we had fewer defense agreements, we would be able to make do with a lot less protecting ONLY US direct interests.

But, the best war is one avoided.
Re your last point, the most expensive military establishment is the one almost-but-not-quite good enough to win the war we put it in.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1237 on: April 04, 2020, 07:04:39 PM »
I've said this for the past couple decades, ever since I became involved in high tech manufacturing.

Mexico has tremendous natural resources.  I'm not saying that helping Mexico develop would be cheap, or easy, but just imagine committing all of the resources we've dedicated to the war on drugs, or border walls, into developing the infrastructure in Mexico and other Latin American countries instead.
It was already in the process before this coronavirus outbreak. Read article about it in Forbes not that long ago. 

I have family in manufacturing, well not really manufacturing. They don’t manufacture anything, they sell machines and parts to manufacturers and they’ve done more business in Mexico in the last 5 years than they’ve ever done and they’ve been in business for 45+ years. More and more manufacturing has slowly been moving to Mexico, and they all think this coronavirus is going to make it happen faster.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1238 on: April 04, 2020, 07:06:37 PM »
Yeah, that's nice. 
I happen to think there's no defending the cost of our military industrial complex.  $600 billion+ annually.  55% of our discrectonary budget. 
More than the next, what, 13 countries combined.  12 of which are friendly. 
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It's indefensible.  But you tried.
The key word is "discretionary."  That's because the vast majority of the federal budget is no longer discretionary, thanks largely to various entitlement programs that can't be cut without amending the laws that created them, which few politicians are willing to do out of fear of being demonized by the other side.  As I've already shown, the percentage of our GDP devoted to the military is historically small (3.1%) and trending smaller.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1239 on: April 04, 2020, 07:08:06 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/opinion/coronavirus-



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_mCg8eWPS04
NYT is a worthless rag on par with The National Enquirer if you ask me, and that article was pure CCP propaganda.

WHO wouldn’t declare it a pandemic because the WHO is so far up China’s ass they might as well just be an arm of the CCP. And our stupid government gives the WHO most of it’s funding. US is the #1 contributor to the WHO. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1240 on: April 04, 2020, 07:10:10 PM »
I prefer NYC to Paris, normally, and even today, but I'm a bit odd.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1241 on: April 04, 2020, 07:16:01 PM »
I've said this for the past couple decades, ever since I became involved in high tech manufacturing.

Mexico has tremendous natural resources.  I'm not saying that helping Mexico develop would be cheap, or easy, but just imagine committing all of the resources we've dedicated to the war on drugs, or border walls, into developing the infrastructure in Mexico and other Latin American countries instead.

Can you get a prosperous Mexico without declaring all drugs legal here and rendering the cartels irrelevant?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1242 on: April 04, 2020, 07:16:38 PM »
I prefer NYC to Paris, normally, and even today, but I'm a bit odd.
Paris all day over NYC. 

NYC is a stinky, rat infested shithole. And too many completely insane, ridiculous weirdos live there. NYC is a zoo.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1243 on: April 04, 2020, 07:18:00 PM »
The key word is "discretionary."  That's because the vast majority of the federal budget is no longer discretionary, thanks largely to various entitlement programs that can't be cut without amending the laws that created them, which few politicians are willing to do out of fear of being demonized by the other side.  As I've already shown, the percentage of our GDP devoted to the military is historically small (3.1%) and trending smaller.
Ehhh, the entitlement programs people bitch about are part of the discretionary budget, too.  The ones everyone wants to keep are what you're referring to here.  
And thanks for changing it to GDP, which has nothing to do with what I said.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1244 on: April 04, 2020, 07:18:30 PM »
I prefer NYC to Paris, normally, and even today, but I'm a bit odd.
Anyone on this board that doesn't have FoxNews blaring on the TV 24/7 here is odd.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1245 on: April 04, 2020, 07:20:22 PM »
Can you get a prosperous Mexico without declaring all drugs legal here and rendering the cartels irrelevant?
Yes. Send in US special ops to bust them up. US special ops could wipe out the cartels in a weekend.

 

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