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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12180 on: January 31, 2021, 10:31:55 AM »
What changes would you have suggested on schools?  The science from local, regional, national, and global evidence, is clear that in-school transmission is minimal, and at schools grades K-8 almost nonexistent. 

So if the previous presidential administration had mandated that all schools in all states be open, how do you think the state governments in... say... California, NY, etc. would have taken it?

Not to mention that such a mandate isn't even legal, nor should it be.
I know in Chicago, the Mayor is all about having schools open.

The union is what is keeping schools closed. The union president is the real "boss" in Chicago.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12181 on: January 31, 2021, 10:38:10 AM »
I know in Chicago, the Mayor is all about having schools open.

The union is what is keeping schools closed. The union president is the real "boss" in Chicago.
Well that certainly surprises... no one. :)

In Texico there is a teacher's union but it's pretty weak. Which is also unsurprising.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12182 on: January 31, 2021, 10:44:15 AM »
To take a look at another major "Covid Market," earlier this week Mexico passed up India for the world's third most Covid deaths; 158K Vs India's 154K total.

Though fortunately the trends appear peaking during the latter half of this week, going into this past week Mexico, along with the UK, was the last major "Covid Market" where the three growth factors - Daily Cases, Active Cases, and Daily Deaths - were all still increasing.










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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12183 on: January 31, 2021, 10:45:21 AM »
Guess I'm gonna cancel that trip I had planned to Playa del Carmen next week...


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12184 on: January 31, 2021, 10:50:03 AM »
What changes would you have suggested on schools?  If #FollowTheScience is so monumentally important-- and I certainly believe it is-- then "the science" from local, regional, national, and global evidence, is clear that in-school transmission is minimal, and at schools grades K-8 almost nonexistent. 

So if the previous presidential administration had mandated that all schools in all states be open for 100% in-person learning, how do you think the state governments in... say... California, NY, etc. would have taken it?

Not to mention that such a mandate isn't even legal, nor should it be.
I don't think mandates are especially popular or effective.  What had been missing was leadership telling people that this is bad, we have to make tough decisions, and we have to choose what we value most.  That approach would have been more effective (and more popular).  Given the lack of effect on children, the lack of spread in schools, and the value of education, focusing on that would give people a center on where to focus on this (and also keep kids in school).  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12185 on: January 31, 2021, 10:53:34 AM »
I think the media could have shaped the "message" as much as "leadership" for what was good for the country, but the media is also guilty of the wrong message
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12186 on: January 31, 2021, 10:58:30 AM »
I think the media could have shaped the "message" as much as "leadership" for what was good for the country, but the media is also guilty of the wrong message
Sure, but the media is thousands of entities. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12187 on: January 31, 2021, 11:04:33 AM »
I think we realized this was bad in late March, whatever leadership may have said.  How that made anything "more effective" is not clear  to me.

I really am not sure that this mythical leadership of another kind would have made much difference on the ground.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12188 on: January 31, 2021, 11:17:19 AM »
I think we realized this was bad in late March, whatever leadership may have said.  How that made anything "more effective" is not clear  to me.

I really am not sure that this mythical leadership of another kind would have made much difference on the ground.
Pretty clear to me that effective leadership tends to be better than ineffective leadership, but who can know for sure. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12189 on: January 31, 2021, 11:20:08 AM »
The term "effective leadership" is subject to opinion.

In my view, a lot of mistakes were made, some by governors, at least in hindsight.

My POINT is there is no evidence that different messenging would have made much difference.  Europe has also been hit hard.

And we see no change from Biden over what Trump did, some flowery words, and I'm glad at least he's not speaking about it.  But the course of the pandemic is set.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12190 on: January 31, 2021, 11:22:20 AM »
Sure, but the media is thousands of entities.
the major media outlets, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, CNN could have focused on the important part of the message instead of things such as "bleach injections"

but, they chose not too
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12191 on: January 31, 2021, 11:23:50 AM »
the major media outlets, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, CNN could have focused on the important part of the message instead of things such as "bleach injections"

but, they chose not too
they still arent
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12192 on: January 31, 2021, 11:27:43 AM »
I think we realized this was bad in late March, whatever leadership may have said.  How that made anything "more effective" is not clear  to me.

I really am not sure that this mythical leadership of another kind would have made much difference on the ground.
But you yourself mentioned France's kids were in school. As they are in many places. So I'm not seeing evidence that leadership makes no difference.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12193 on: January 31, 2021, 11:30:05 AM »
kids in school or out of school makes no difference

kids aren't spreading the virus
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