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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12068 on: January 25, 2021, 09:33:34 AM »
China has plenty of wood, and certainly has no problem cutting it down.

Plus, a lot of furniture is synthetic now.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12069 on: January 25, 2021, 09:43:53 AM »
China has plenty of wood, and certainly has no problem cutting it down.

Plus, a lot of furniture is synthetic now.

True, but Mr. N is also correct-- for flooring and furniture that is built with American-specific species, we cut down the logs, ship them to China where they are processed into finished goods, and then they are shipped back.

Not really the most environmentally conscientious process, to be sure.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12070 on: January 25, 2021, 09:46:07 AM »
I would guess the basic lumber items are made here or in Canada.  Higher end labor intensive stuff could be made where there is cheap labor, like Thailand.

We still make a LOT of paper in the US also.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12071 on: January 25, 2021, 09:50:07 AM »
why would you expect a March surge?
Just looking at the lines of past pandemics - a fall winter wave and then a winter spring wave seems to be consistent before bubbling out.  Getting the vaccine out between now and March seems like a pretty critical path.   I'm not sure what are realistic targets on that - though if we got everyone over say 65 vaccinated by then it would seem to limit fatalities even if it doesn't limit actual infections as much.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12072 on: January 25, 2021, 09:59:12 AM »
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccinations - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data

The US is at a million a day right now and headed higher.

It has not been as fast as we'd like, but it's happening, even without some "plan".  We have 25 million KNOWN infections.  I think herd immunity is beginning to be a factor in transmission.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12073 on: January 25, 2021, 11:51:23 AM »
Yep, nothing to see there.

Meanwhile, it takes forever to get any furniture right now. I guess that tells us where it's all made - and that needs to stop.
Just ordered a new sofa and chair for the living room... It was build-to-order due to fabric selection.

Quoted 16-18 weeks for delivery.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12074 on: January 25, 2021, 11:54:07 AM »
Furniture stores near us are full of inventory and running sales like crazy.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12075 on: January 25, 2021, 12:02:06 PM »
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccinations - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data

The US is at a million a day right now and headed higher.

It has not been as fast as we'd like, but it's happening, even without some "plan".  We have 25 million KNOWN infections.  I think herd immunity is beginning to be a factor in transmission.
Yeah, I think we're now starting to get a lot closer. I'm not one that believes that the number of unknown infections is as large as some, but even with a small multiplier like 3x or 4x known infections we'd be close to 100M. That's 30% of the nation. We're adding millions already who have received their 2nd dose of the vaccine as well, of which there's probably some overlap with previous infections but we're making progress there. 

It's not herd immunity, but it may be reducing R0 as the virus is finding fewer and fewer non-immune hosts to infect. Especially since I'm sure the demographics of infections (known or unknown) has high variance demographically--the people driving spread (people who often gathered with others) might have much higher infection rates than others, so spread could be reducing particularly in those demographics.

Of course we're also out of the holiday season now, so my prediction was that people would continue to gather through Thanksgiving and Christmas because of social pressure, but might "shut it down" in January and February. That could explain some of the declines as well. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12076 on: January 25, 2021, 12:10:48 PM »
It's not technically immunity as usually defined, but the levels of immunity can start to reach the point where R naught drops.  We COULD be where a third of the nation is resistant/immune.  So, if an infected person might have passed it on to three people, now it's two people.

And R naught is thought  to be slightly above 1.0, generally, so it doesn't take a lot to drop to 0.9. 

I hope.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12077 on: January 25, 2021, 12:18:19 PM »
Furniture stores near us are full of inventory and running sales like crazy.
Aren't they always?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12078 on: January 25, 2021, 12:19:42 PM »
It's not technically immunity as usually defined, but the levels of immunity can start to reach the point where R naught drops.  We COULD be where a third of the nation is resistant/immune.  So, if an infected person might have passed it on to three people, now it's two people.

And R naught is thought  to be slightly above 1.0, generally, so it doesn't take a lot to drop to 0.9.

I hope.
Well, after 863 pages of pseudo-science and hope, where's it gotten us?  420,000 dead people and the highest rates yet.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12079 on: January 25, 2021, 12:22:25 PM »
Aren't they always?
Yep. Stores around here also have a lot of inventory. Inventory nobody wants. For example:



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12080 on: January 25, 2021, 12:26:26 PM »
Well, after 863 pages of pseudo-science and hope, where's it gotten us?  420,000 dead people and the highest rates yet. 
97 percent survival rate. Would be 98 if not for NY and NJ.

Data for the whole world (not including China, of course):



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12081 on: January 25, 2021, 12:32:40 PM »
Seems everywhere is hitting the downside of the curve. Hopefully the vaccine can help avoid a March spike.


This is true all across the major "covid markets" of the world. Daily cases and deaths counts appear to be cresting, even in the "variant" hit UK which until last weak was experiencing increasing daily death counts.






 

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