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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12026 on: January 22, 2021, 08:24:03 PM »
agreed

even if China and the WHO had warned the USA more sternly and earlier, it still may have had to run it's course as it's been doing
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12027 on: January 22, 2021, 09:58:00 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 22, 2021, 05:39:46 PM
I'm not sure I agree that "politics" cost tens of thousands of lives.

I don't know how one could quantify that with any precision at all.
On that point I have two points

Amazon volunteered to help deploy the vaccine this was done to Biden not one word to Trump

The difference in lockdowns between the blue and the red states is amazing with little evidence the stricter approach is better
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12028 on: January 22, 2021, 10:08:43 PM »
Second weekend of full club vball tournaments here in Indy.  I see IL may let them play at some point. I've heard rumors that some teams have been playing under the radar in both vball and hoops.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12029 on: January 23, 2021, 07:57:42 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 22, 2021, 08:24:03 PM
agreed

even if China and the WHO had warned the USA more sternly and earlier, it still may have had to run it's course as it's been doing
Had they told us about it in October 2019, we'd be in a lot better shape right now.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12030 on: January 23, 2021, 08:51:51 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 22, 2021, 08:24:03 PM
agreed

even if China and the WHO had warned the USA more sternly and earlier, it still may have had to run it's course as it's been doing
I don't consider that as "politics", and I agree with your conclusion.  I'm thinking more of US politics, e.g., had this other guy been in charge, would it have mattered?

Look at Europe.  Even Germany which was hailed as having done it right got hit hard.  

I think most of our east coast infections came from Europe, you recall how bad Italy was very early on.  We would have had to shut down ALL international travel to have delayed this, and even then, you'd have to force quarantine citizens returning.

Nobody handled it well outside perhaps some Asian countries and island nations.

Hawaii had a hard shutdown and it got into that state.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12031 on: January 23, 2021, 09:07:03 AM »
@GopherRock was in Italy early on in this thing, and his bride had the virus and came back. Had we known about this thing when it truly broke out, they probably would not have gone to Italy when they did.

Just one example.

Another example is me. I would not have travelled as extensively as I did from November to March had we known about this. I got it on a plane back from Florida, and likely gave it to many others before I knew I was sick.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12032 on: January 23, 2021, 09:33:45 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 23, 2021, 08:51:51 AM
Look at Europe.  Even Germany which was hailed as having done it right got hit hard. 
One of the ladies who volunteers at the Food Pantry is an immigrant/refugee from Germany after WWII.She has talked to family and said when their Government locks down they mean it.Evidently serious fines/time if you don't abide.I don't know about their numbers
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12033 on: January 23, 2021, 10:13:16 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 23, 2021, 07:57:42 AM
Had they told us about it in October 2019, we'd be in a lot better shape right now.
we may have kept the surge lower and had fewer cases overall.
Perhaps we could have kept cases numbers lower until the vaccine kicks in, but I don't know how much lower.
This virus seems to run it's course
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12034 on: January 23, 2021, 10:21:02 AM »
Travel would have been curbed much earlier. That was a huge contributor and the CCP knew it would be.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12035 on: January 23, 2021, 10:23:04 AM »
agreed on both counts

it's just that travel would have still occurred and the virus would still got to the US and spread

just hard to know how much it would have helped

many NYC wouldn't have been nearly as bad early 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12036 on: January 23, 2021, 10:41:33 AM »
Yeah, the spread seems to defy whatever anyone has done short of a draconian lockdown in an island nation like NZ.

And it could have been worse, easily.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12037 on: January 23, 2021, 10:44:27 AM »
the latest 7 day moving average graph on new positives

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12038 on: January 23, 2021, 11:16:59 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 23, 2021, 10:23:04 AM
agreed on both counts

it's just that travel would have still occurred and the virus would still got to the US and spread

just hard to know how much it would have helped

many NYC wouldn't have been nearly as bad early
Not if there was a travel ban in place. If that happened in November or December, we'd be in MUCH better shape.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12039 on: January 23, 2021, 11:22:31 AM »
I'm just saying, between the travel ban in November and now, the ban would have been lifted

regardless of who was in the white house
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