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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11928 on: January 15, 2021, 04:59:54 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11929 on: January 16, 2021, 09:06:28 AM »
well, somehow the public took the "flatten the curve" so as to not overrun hospitals and made it into "eradicate the virus" overnight

I feel most of this was political, but it is what it is.


This is an important point I’ve been wanting to sort out for a while - the scientific intention of the masks, 6ft apart, sheltering in place, etc was supposed to FLATTEN THE CURVE in order to SLOW the virus for the sake of keeping the hospital from overcrowding? Especially from a collective standpoint, masks (...etc) were never scientifically able to PREVENT the virus from spreading through the population? Scientifically, it was always only a matter of controlling the speed of spread? And hopefully it could be slowed enough to vaccinate a larger part of the population that hadn’t been infected? And this messaging all came about before the viral mutations emerged? 

In short, all the media talk about “listening to the SCIENCE” was only scientific inasmuch as SLOWING the spread; NOT PREVENTING the spread, which is what the message devolved into?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11930 on: January 16, 2021, 03:05:54 PM »
Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years | MIT Technology Review

Potentially good news, but the variants could change this picture.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11932 on: January 16, 2021, 05:53:07 PM »
In short, all the media talk about “listening to the SCIENCE” was only scientific inasmuch as SLOWING the spread; NOT PREVENTING the spread, which is what the message devolved into?
We were not hearing a consistent message on this but a confusion.  And yes, the concept was to prevent hospitals from failing.

If you flatten a curve, you don't necessarily alter the area under the curve, at least until a vaccine or herd immunity kicks in.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11933 on: January 17, 2021, 10:44:02 AM »
Summary: Virologist Dr. John Dye of the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases gives the government’s latest thinking on COVID-19 vaccines, immunity, asymptomatic spread, and origin.

Virologist Dr. John Dye’s Q-and-A on COVID-19 Vaccines and Immunity

skip the first 2:28

Dr. John seems legit, not political

« Last Edit: January 17, 2021, 10:53:03 AM by FearlessF »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11934 on: January 17, 2021, 10:58:57 AM »
KENOVA, W.Va. (AP) — Griffith & Feil Drug has been in business since 1892, a family-owned, small-town pharmacy. This isn’t their first pandemic.

More than a century after helping West Virginians confront the Spanish flu in 1918, the drugstore in Kenova, a community of about 3,000 people, is helping the state lead the nation in COVID-19 vaccine distribution.

West Virginia has emerged as an unlikely success in the nation’s otherwise chaotic vaccine rollout, largely because of the state’s decision to reject a federal partnership with CVS and Walgreens and instead enlist mom-and-pop pharmacies to vaccinate residents against the virus that has killed over 395,000 Americans.


More shots have gone into people’s arms per capita across West Virginia than in any other state, with at least 7.5% of the population receiving the first of two shots, according to federal data.

West Virginia was the first in the nation to finish offering first doses to all long-term care centers before the end of December, and the state expects to give second doses at those facilities by the end of January.

“Boy, have we noticed that. I think the West Virginia model is really one that we would love for a lot more states to adopt,” said John Beckner, a pharmacist who works at the Alexandria, Virginia-based National Community Pharmacists Association, which advocates for pharmacies across the country.

It’s early in the process, but that has not stopped Republican Gov. Jim Justice from proclaiming that the vaccine effort runs counter to preconceived notions about the Mountaineer State.

“Little old West Virginia, that was thought of for hundreds of years, you know, as a place where maybe we were backward or dark or dingy,” Justice said last week.

Rather than relying on national chains, 250 local pharmacists set up clinics in rural communities. The fact that residents who may be wary of the vaccine seem to trust them makes a difference.


https://apnews.com/article/politics-pandemics-west-virginia-coronavirus-pandemic-2e682c51172839a57ab17ca2b7b8d336
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11935 on: January 17, 2021, 08:20:41 PM »
I'm not planning on taking the vaccine for awhile for several reasons.  One of which is that they just haven't had it out long enough to really know the long term effects.  There just hasn't been enough time.  Nobody really knows how long it will really last, if the virus mutates like the flu every year, etc.  And I don't care how safe it's been declared, it has been rushed since the get go, the manufacture has been rushed.  I'll take the vaccine once it becomes routine for everybody.  PS...I know plenty of people who have had vaccine shots that suffered side effects, like the shingles shot, chicken pox shot, etc.  So there are cases where the vaccine caused harm.  My father in law has been suffering for years since receiving the shingles shot, he wishes he would have never taken it.  I acknowledge that the covid shot is probably a completely different vaccine made in completely different ways than the ones I listed but I'm just using those as an example.  There is tremrndous political pressure out there to get this thing out.  Is it really safe?  Get back with me in a few years.  

The other thing is that I've already had covid, as verified by a PCR test and a blood antibody test.  So therefore in a sense I'm self vaccinated.  How long will my immunity last?  Nobody really knows, but some say 5 months and same say 5 years.  Either way I'm not afraid to catch it again no more than I am afraid of the flu. 

Losing my dad to this has made me really think about it a lot, and if I was over 65 I'd be lining up, but 45 and healthy?  I'll take my chances for now.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11936 on: January 17, 2021, 08:48:18 PM »
KENOVA, W.Va. (AP) — Griffith & Feil Drug has been in business since 1892, a family-owned, small-town pharmacy. This isn’t their first pandemic.

More than a century after helping West Virginians confront the Spanish flu in 1918, the drugstore in Kenova, a community of about 3,000 people, is helping the state lead the nation in COVID-19 vaccine distribution.

West Virginia has emerged as an unlikely success in the nation’s otherwise chaotic vaccine rollout, largely because of the state’s decision to reject a federal partnership with CVS and Walgreens and instead enlist mom-and-pop pharmacies to vaccinate residents against the virus that has killed over 395,000 Americans.


More shots have gone into people’s arms per capita across West Virginia than in any other state, with at least 7.5% of the population receiving the first of two shots, according to federal data.

West Virginia was the first in the nation to finish offering first doses to all long-term care centers before the end of December, and the state expects to give second doses at those facilities by the end of January.

“Boy, have we noticed that. I think the West Virginia model is really one that we would love for a lot more states to adopt,” said John Beckner, a pharmacist who works at the Alexandria, Virginia-based National Community Pharmacists Association, which advocates for pharmacies across the country.

It’s early in the process, but that has not stopped Republican Gov. Jim Justice from proclaiming that the vaccine effort runs counter to preconceived notions about the Mountaineer State.

“Little old West Virginia, that was thought of for hundreds of years, you know, as a place where maybe we were backward or dark or dingy,” Justice said last week.

Rather than relying on national chains, 250 local pharmacists set up clinics in rural communities. The fact that residents who may be wary of the vaccine seem to trust them makes a difference.


https://apnews.com/article/politics-pandemics-west-virginia-coronavirus-pandemic-2e682c51172839a57ab17ca2b7b8d336
Well, it’s nice for WV to finally lead the nation in something that isn’t negative, lol.  That said, there have been some hiccups along the way here, too.  My wife has put in some long hours and dealt with a lot of aggravation trying to get the vaccines due her clinic and then getting them distributed to the people who need them the most.  After hours zoom calls have become the norm for her.  She had one today at 4:00 while she was cooking dinner.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11937 on: January 18, 2021, 10:32:19 AM »
I won't wait for any "long term effects" to be seen, because it would mean waiting for a "long term", which could be years.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11938 on: January 18, 2021, 12:19:09 PM »
I won't wait years, but I'll certainly give it a few months of ever-expanding MILLIONS of samples, rather than the handful that went into the trials, to see what shakes out.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11939 on: January 18, 2021, 12:23:11 PM »
Something around 10 million Americans have been vaccinated.  How long does one wait for seeing side effects?

We had tens of thousands in the trials that ended 3-4 months back.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11940 on: January 18, 2021, 12:24:58 PM »
well, Utee couldn't get a shot this week if he begged, so easy for him to wait a few more months

I'm guessing if utee was 90 years old, he would have been standing in line.

@utee, have your parents and your in-laws lined up yet?

My brother's FIL got his first shot in Dallas, 2nd shot is scheduled for early Feb.  Before I visit the week of the 22nd.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11941 on: January 18, 2021, 12:35:10 PM »
Just heard my parents both got their first shot last week, Pfizer. No issues.


 

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