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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10164 on: November 02, 2020, 09:49:13 AM »
We have discussed the probability that the new infections may be skewed to a younger median age, and treatment is probably better.

I expect the death increase to be lower.

Czechia I have no idea.

They made some very credible tanks in 1939, better or at least equal to the German tanks, better than the Panzer II that formed the largest portion of German armored divisions at the time.  The Panzer II was a light tank with only a 20 mm main weapon.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10165 on: November 02, 2020, 09:50:12 AM »
States previously had prepared temporary hospitals when it appeared capacity was about to be exceeded.  Around here, those were shut down in June, but could be restarted and handle the less severe cases.  I was out today for groceries, no panic buying was apparent thought disinfectant sprays are in short supply stiff.

Georgia's numbers are not that bad, yet.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10166 on: November 02, 2020, 09:53:09 AM »
I've seen no panic here. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10167 on: November 02, 2020, 10:04:45 AM »
Houston is calm no panic buying Im aware of
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10168 on: November 02, 2020, 10:06:09 AM »
Theres a big difference between "shutting down" and requiring masks in businesses  closing bars or inside restaurants

If I ran a state Id monitor hospitalizations and deaths closely and not shut down unless our hospitals were being over run
I'm happy living in a midwestern state w/o restrictions and low unemployment

if it wasn't for winter weather........
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10169 on: November 02, 2020, 10:06:32 AM »
And there you are.

What should we be doing differently, right now?
Honestly I think everyone's hands are tied here. Country won't accept another lockdown. They'll just have friends/family over to their houses. It's what people are doing now anyway. Played golf with one of my homebrew club buddies yesterday, and he was hung over because "we just had a bunch of people over for Halloween." Got home and that evening the neighbors across the street were having a pretty rocking Dia de los Muertos party. 

As stated, I'm guilty too. I'm going out and seeing people outside my household at a WAY higher rate than I was even 2 months ago. 

Lock it down again, and none of that changes unless we have draconian enforcement. 

So, we're basically just going to run the experiment and see what happens. 

Cases have been steadily increasing across Europe since August, 8-10 weeks ago, but the corresponding increase in deaths is minimal compared to what it was last Spring, even accounting for a 3-4 week lag.

Except in the Czech Republic, which I still find perplexing.
We can't really compare to Spring, as the testing was so limited that I don't think the case numbers were meaningful. I'd compare to the Jul/Aug spike, but of course that's hard because Europe was still locked down and didn't have a Jul/Aug spike. Comparing to our own Jul/Aug spike in cases and deaths, though, will give us a lot more data about whether treatments are meaningfully improving of if there's a huge demographic shift in cases. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10170 on: November 02, 2020, 10:20:44 AM »
Good point about missing cases in Spring.  My kid in Texas was never counted.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10171 on: November 02, 2020, 10:22:09 AM »

We can't really compare to Spring, as the testing was so limited that I don't think the case numbers were meaningful. I'd compare to the Jul/Aug spike, but of course that's hard because Europe was still locked down and didn't have a Jul/Aug spike. Comparing to our own Jul/Aug spike in cases and deaths, though, will give us a lot more data about whether treatments are meaningfully improving of if there's a huge demographic shift in cases.

The testing in Europe in Spring was limited to where it is now, for sure.  But if the current death rate is held constant and applied backward to last Spring, then the number of presumed-but-not-tested positive cases last Spring skyrockets to a really huge number.

Which might prove badgerfan's point, everyone's already had it.  Twice. :)

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10172 on: November 02, 2020, 10:36:10 AM »
In the last 5 weeks the weekly new case count has increased by aprox 78%

In the same time period the weekly death count has increased by aprox 11%


Hope the death count holds until we can turn the corner on new cases
5 weeks is important, as that's basically when we saw the cases turn.

So go back 3 weeks. That's Oct 12. (Sorry, should be Oct 11 as I was assuming 3 weeks from Nov 2 and don't want to retype everything below).

Oct 12 we had a daily 7-day MA case rate of about 50.7K. 2 weeks prior to that (to get to the 5 week total) on Sep 28 we had a 7-day MA case rate of 41.7K. That's a 21.5% increase.

Now, because we know there's a roughly 3 week lag between cases and deaths, we compare today's 7-day MA against the 7-day MA two weeks ago.

Nov 1 we have a 7-day MA for deaths of 851. Two weeks prior (Oct 18) was 726. That's a 17.2% increase.

So we don't have quite a proportional rise in deaths (at this point), as only about 80% of new cases seem to convert into a rise in deaths. 

But... We look at Oct 12 and we had 50.7K cases (7-day MA). Yesterday that number moved up to 82.7K. That's a 63.1% increase in the past 3 weeks. If the same 80% number holds, we should see a 50.5% increase in deaths by Nov 22.

So my prediction for the 7-day MA of daily death rate, on Nov 22, is that we'll be at about 1281/day. 

Let's revisit in 3 weeks and see if that holds...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10173 on: November 02, 2020, 11:12:01 AM »
I went back and used your assumption of 80% and also using a current death rate of aprox 1.85% of positives and come up with 1,238 daily death average

this is close enough to your number so no need for debate

the question is will the 80% number and the 1.85% number remain constant or will they both decrease over time which is what I think will happen

it will be interesting to see

I hope we are going to be way too high on the estimates
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10174 on: November 02, 2020, 11:17:39 AM »
I hope we don't see the rise in cases continue. But I fear we will.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10175 on: November 02, 2020, 11:21:46 AM »
I couldn't offer any reason our case counts would peak and drop short of a vaccine or lock down.  I don't know why we had the ebb in Aub/Sept really either.

The new strain idea is plausible though.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10176 on: November 02, 2020, 11:45:14 AM »
case counts have peaked and dropped in the past

hoping it happens again very soon
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10177 on: November 02, 2020, 11:46:20 AM »
I couldn't offer any reason our case counts would peak and drop short of a vaccine or lock down.  I don't know why we had the ebb in Aub/Sept really either.

The new strain idea is plausible though.
could school openings and football both pro and college have anything to do with it

plus catching it from Europe maybe
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