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Topic: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition

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GopherRock

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #938 on: December 19, 2023, 04:28:07 PM »
Selling (the) Sunset: How Rose Bowl acquiescing to BCS carved path to expanded College Football Playoff


The state of college football has been a long time coming. At least 30 years worth. Dennis Dodd reports.

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« Reply #939 on: December 19, 2023, 05:49:42 PM »
IOW: they blew it all up for money... 

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« Reply #940 on: December 19, 2023, 11:43:54 PM »
Arguably, you are correct, but the method of determining a champion has damaged the sport noticeably for a while now.  Used to be that fans of many teams had something to be excited about in the post-season, as finishing ranked, top 10, top 5, was something fans celebrated.  The more definitive the NC claimed to be, the more the sport focused on it to the exclusion of everything else, and the more the public followed suit.  And caring less about being anything other than NCs became more normal.  The BCS started it, the playoffs exacerbated it, expanding the playoffs is going to put the nail in the coffin for the post-season outside of the playoffs. 
I think those things can still be celebrated. If you (or anyone else) isn’t celebrating those things then I think that falls on you first and foremost.  You are letting external forces affect how you view and feel about your favorite team.

WVU has a shot at 9 wins and an outside shot at a top 25 finish.  I’m into it  to see if they can hit those marks.  I get that it isn’t on the radar nationally and no one outside of WVU fans care, but whatever, I care. 

I’ve had this discussion before but I haven’t necessarily bought this argument that the playoffs have stripped the bowls of importance.  I was always keenly aware of what bowl(s) had an impact on the MNC race.  But that didn’t mean I couldn’t enjoy the other bowls not involved.

I think the bowls feel  less important because of the sheer number of them and players skipping them or transferring before they are played.  And I don’t think the player movement is all that affected by the playoff format.

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« Reply #941 on: December 20, 2023, 01:59:48 AM »
You are letting external forces affect how you view and feel about your favorite team.


Have you met a human being?  This is what the masses do.
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« Reply #942 on: December 20, 2023, 11:21:20 AM »
I think those things can still be celebrated. If you (or anyone else) isn’t celebrating those things then I think that falls on you first and foremost.  You are letting external forces affect how you view and feel about your favorite team.

I think you're right to an extent, but I also think it's silly to dismiss the broader stream of consciousness within the sport and all the external messages that constantly bombard a person that it's all about the playoffs and NCs, and say that it doesn't have an effect on a person.  I'm guessing the psychological and sociological research into such things backs that up. 

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« Reply #943 on: December 20, 2023, 12:35:23 PM »
The actual excitement surrounding college football rises up from the student body

If you have not lost the following of the students football will remain viable no matter what sports folks talk about

The time to worry is when the following of the student body is lost
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« Reply #944 on: December 20, 2023, 12:50:44 PM »
The actual excitement surrounding college football rises up from the student body

If you have not lost the following of the students football will remain viable no matter what sports folks talk about

The time to worry is when the following of the student body is lost
I mean look at the student sections in bad weather games, creampuff games, noon games, etc...

It looks good when you have an 8:00 PM ranked matchup, and maybe Texas is fine, but looking around the Big Ten, even the students are event fans.  Look at the student sections for even UM, OSU and PSU games.  Granted those are the noon BTN games, so nobody notices.

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« Reply #945 on: December 20, 2023, 01:10:00 PM »
The actual excitement surrounding college football rises up from the student body

If you have not lost the following of the students football will remain viable no matter what sports folks talk about

The time to worry is when the following of the student body is lost

Attendance in general, and specifically student attendance, has been declining for two decades.

They schools HAVE lost the following of the students.  Current students don't care about sports nearly as much as previous generations, and it's showing up in the attendance numbers.

And younger fans are not being made, because families have been completely priced out of the market.  I'm not exactly poor but even I've taken my kids to only one Texas game in the past 5 years.  I look at the expense, and decide my entertainment dollars can go a lot further if spent on other things.

By contrast, my parents took me to several UT games every year, including the TX-OU game several times.  I was born and raised a fan.  That is no longer happening.

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« Reply #946 on: December 20, 2023, 01:16:34 PM »
I will say that while the on-field product at the New Brickhouse was disappointing, the students have shown up in force for every game over the last two years. It's impressive. 

It helps that the Thursday night opener is a mandatory attendance event for all incoming freshmen. 

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« Reply #947 on: December 20, 2023, 01:20:14 PM »
Students in Madison show up by halftime. Gotta be in that jump around crowd.
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« Reply #948 on: December 20, 2023, 01:28:49 PM »
Attendance in general, and specifically student attendance, has been declining for two decades.

They schools HAVE lost the following of the students.  Current students don't care about sports nearly as much as previous generations, and it's showing up in the attendance numbers.

And younger fans are not being made, because families have been completely priced out of the market.  I'm not exactly poor but even I've taken my kids to only one Texas game in the past 5 years.  I look at the expense, and decide my entertainment dollars can go a lot further if spent on other things.

By contrast, my parents took me to several UT games every year, including the TX-OU game several times.  I was born and raised a fan.  That is no longer happening.

Oh, so it's not just us, then?  (Tongue-in-cheek.  I pretty well know it's not just us.  Just that we've been bitching for the last 15 years about the average LSU fan being priced out of game day.)

Dad used to take me to the Ole Miss games, and once he took me to Ole Miss for the LSU game.  Even though we lived in BR at the time, I don't think it would be the same today.  It's more expensive as you point out, and at LSU at least, while traffic was never exactly good for game days, these days it flat sucks with a capital WTF???  I can't picture him putting up with that when he was usually pretty happy to listen on the radio.  

I was seeing a doctor in Beaumont last week and noticed his LSU edition Nike shoes and asked about them.  He said he was from BR and went to U-High on campus and did his undergrad at LSU.  Said he and several family members have been season ticket holders for 37 years.  I asked him did he make it to many games and his face fell and he said no, it's kind of far and the traffic is such a hassle, and it's so easy to watch on his big screen from his comfy couch, and he hadn't been to a game in quite a few years.  I haven't thought through the economics enough to know if they have a point, but I've seen LSU fans on the interwebz complaining for a while now about wealthier ticket buyers who get season tickets they don't even use and somehow this drives the price on everything else up. 


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« Reply #949 on: December 20, 2023, 01:29:29 PM »
Attendance in general, and specifically student attendance, has been declining for two decades.

They schools HAVE lost the following of the students.  Current students don't care about sports nearly as much as previous generations, and it's showing up in the attendance numbers.

And younger fans are not being made, because families have been completely priced out of the market.  I'm not exactly poor but even I've taken my kids to only one Texas game in the past 5 years.  I look at the expense, and decide my entertainment dollars can go a lot further if spent on other things.

By contrast, my parents took me to several UT games every year, including the TX-OU game several times.  I was born and raised a fan.  That is no longer happening.
It's not just pricing out, it's increased population mobility generation over generation.  I grew up going to Michigan games, like my father did, because we lived in Ann Arbor.  I've been to 4 MSU games with my wife, I think the last being in 2011?  My last MSU game of any sport was a basketball game in 2016 at UM, simply because we were inn Ann Arbor for my brother's 30th, the weekend of the game.

But it's also why my son is an Ohio State fan.  He has no actual tie to any team, and red has always been his favorite color.  He settled on them when he was 5, and it's 5 years and running now.  I can't really argue against him.  MSU, because I went there?  He's never been to East Lansing.  Pitt, because I went there for law school and we live here?  I don't root for them, so why should he.  He would generally just prefer to watch the "best" game in any sport.  OSU is the team he roots for, but if it's between OSU-Minnesota or Georgia-Alabama, he'll watch the later.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #950 on: December 20, 2023, 01:35:00 PM »
How about tOSU vs Wisconsin and Bama vs M.Tenn ST.?  ;D
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« Reply #951 on: December 20, 2023, 02:26:39 PM »
Yep, I rarely go to any A&M games anymore. I used to try to make one game per year, but the wife ( A&M alum like me) never cared for sports and really doesn’t have much interest in all things A&M. So I would go with my buddy. Seems like my ticket would be in the upper $100 range. Like $180 for ok seats. 

When my kids got older I would take them to a game or two but they never enjoyed it much. The crowds and the traffic and noise was too much. Plus, they don’t really care for football in general. And it would cost $300-400 for tix for 4 people plus 2-3 hrs to travel there and 2-3 hours to travel back. 

As I’ve gotten older I realize my Aggie fandom will die with me. My oldest son chose to go to Sam Houston ( much smaller school) and frankly I’m glad. The youngest I am not sure what his college plans are but he shows no interest in attending A&M. 

 

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