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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #504 on: December 04, 2023, 08:04:38 PM »
The "let the games matter" thing doesn't make sense.  The games did matter.  FSU had 2 opportunities to show their offense wasn't a dumpster fire w/o Travis, and failed both times.
Alabama beat the 2-time defending national champion, 29-game winning streak Georgia team in winning the SEC.  

The games very much mattered.
The narrative ignoring that FSU kind of stinks now is a melodramatic joke.  
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #505 on: December 04, 2023, 08:06:24 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 04, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
here's the thing....teams go on to ride a backup to championships...it's happened before will happen again.

Ever heard of Cardale Jones or Jeff Hostetler? What if the CFP committee said "oh, they lost JT Barrett, they aren't the same" or what if the NFL said "oh they lost Phil Simms, they aren't the same- we can't let them play in the Super Bowl"....

Kinda weird that things aren't being EARNED AND SETTLED ON THE FIELD.

Why play the fcking games at this point? Honestly. If it's just about Vegas spreads or "eye ball tests"?
Cardale Jones performed great in the B1GCG.  If either FSU backup had done the same, they'd be in the playoff.  

Bringing up the NFL is bizarre.  It's comparing apples to chicken nuggets.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #506 on: December 04, 2023, 08:06:39 PM »
Who cares if their QB was injured.  The whole resume matters.  If they get blasted because their starting QB was out, so be it, but they earned the chance to prove it
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #507 on: December 04, 2023, 08:08:42 PM »

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The "let the games matter" thing doesn't make sense.  The games did matter.  FSU had 2 opportunities to show their offense wasn't a dumpster fire w/o Travis, and failed both times.
But they...won. Hence the whole part about the games mattering. You say the offense didn't look good enough. But so what - this isn't the offense contest. It's the "who gets the most points" contest. That's why they just threw the games in the toilet and instead used their imaginations. 
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #508 on: December 04, 2023, 08:09:22 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 04, 2023, 08:06:24 PM
Cardale Jones performed great in the B1GCG.  If either FSU backup had done the same, they'd be in the playoff. 

Bringing up the NFL is bizarre.  It's comparing apples to chicken nuggets.
Yeah why would people bring up other situations
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #509 on: December 04, 2023, 08:10:12 PM »
Anyone who thinks FSU should be out, should have also been all in on Oregon playing in the national title game in 2007 if Dennis Dixon was healthy to return.  Because the fact that they were 0-3 without him are basically exhibition games.  You are exclusively judged on the roster you bring to the game.

Also, if Michigan blows a big lead after McCarthy gets hurt, but hangs on and wins, these folks would also advance Alabama, because they were better than the lessened Michigan team that would be playing in the championship
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #510 on: December 04, 2023, 08:10:20 PM »
I think judging solely by wins and losses and ignoring any and all other context is childish.  This outrage over FSU is peculiar.  

So many people acting like Travis being out doesn't matter.  It does matter.  Everything concerning their team matters, to some extent.  
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #511 on: December 04, 2023, 08:12:24 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 04, 2023, 04:15:25 PM
it's all about tv ratings and the $$$$$ those ratings bring in. it's all this whore-ish sport has become honestly.

BAMA, Texas, and Michigan are probably 3 of the top 5 biggest tv draws along with Ohio State and ND. Would've been the TV execs wet dream if OSU or ND had been one of the 4 teams instead of Washington.
I'd bet that at least many/most of those two fanbases will watch much of the POs.So not too big of a dip in the TV draw - IMO
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #512 on: December 04, 2023, 08:13:22 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 04, 2023, 08:10:20 PM
I think judging solely by wins and losses and ignoring any and all other context is childish.  This outrage over FSU is peculiar. 

So many people acting like Travis being out doesn't matter.  It does matter.  Everything concerning their team matters, to some extent. 
If they had lost to Louisville, I wouldn't say "judge FSU by full strength FSU".  I'm just saying you judge FSU by their full resume, not by what MIGHT happen
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #513 on: December 04, 2023, 08:17:13 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 04, 2023, 08:10:20 PM
I think judging solely by wins and losses and ignoring any and all other context is childish.  This outrage over FSU is peculiar. 

So many people acting like Travis being out doesn't matter.  It does matter.  Everything concerning their team matters, to some extent. 
Yeah, we get that. The issue is the other stuff mattering over what they did on the field. Hence, the games not mattering, in favor of all the other stuff. When "other stuff" trumps what happened in the field, you are getting away from actual competition and sports and more towards a beauty contest, which is clearly what this was.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #514 on: December 04, 2023, 08:20:05 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 08:10:12 PM
Anyone who thinks FSU should be out, should have also been all in on Oregon playing in the national title game in 2007 if Dennis Dixon was healthy to return.  Because the fact that they were 0-3 without him are basically exhibition games.  You are exclusively judged on the roster you bring to the game.
Is this a genuine thought?  WTF?
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #515 on: December 04, 2023, 08:22:37 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 04, 2023, 08:17:13 PM
Yeah, we get that. The issue is the other stuff mattering over what they did on the field. Hence, the games not mattering, in favor of all the other stuff. When "other stuff" trumps what happened in the field, you are getting away from actual competition and sports and more towards a beauty contest, which is clearly what this was.
So margin of victory should never be mentioned again, ever.  FSU won, so that's that.  Ignore their 10 yards of total offense in the first 28 minutes vs a shit-show Florida defense.  Ignore the Noles' offense making UL's defense look like the '85 Bears until their backup RB magically hit a long run.

Doesn't matter, they won.  

No more moving teams down for close games vs inferior opponents.  No more comparing scores of games vs common opponents.

It's just "stuff" that should be ignored all of a sudden.  Because reasons. 
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #516 on: December 04, 2023, 08:23:03 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 04, 2023, 08:10:20 PM
I think judging solely by wins and losses and ignoring any and all other context is childish.  This outrage over FSU is peculiar. 

So many people acting like Travis being out doesn't matter.  It does matter.  Everything concerning their team matters, to some extent. 
I think everyone in here knows that’s the reason the committee left them out.  The fact is as recently as two weeks ago FSU beat a rival on the road more convincingly without Travis than Bama did with Milroe.  And I don’t think most of us see a huge difference between Auburn and Florida this year.

Whatever any of us think of Louisville by the committee’s own rankings UL was a top 15 team.  FSU beat them by 10 on a neutral field with their 3rd stringer.  I think the committee was heavily influenced by how the third stringer played and he wouldn’t have even been the QB when FSU played in the playoff.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #517 on: December 04, 2023, 08:26:11 PM »
Both the backup and 3rd-string QBs sucked ass.  UL is a much better defense, because everyone this side of USC has a much better defense than Florida.

Everyone acting like the backup kid playing in the bowl matters is delusional, too.  He sucks.  Badly.  He just sucked a little less because he was facing a much worse defense.  
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