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Topic: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition

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Gigem

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #924 on: December 19, 2023, 01:00:12 PM »
the way of determining a champion has done very little harm when compared to the affect of the NIL system and the transfer portal

When compensating the players started that gave the haves a huge boost
Don't like NIL?  Fine.  Drop the salary of all the coaches and AD's and everybody else working for the AD to a more reasonable level.  Say, mmmm...$300K per year for the head coach, and maybe a bit less or more for the AD since they are in fact in charge of the whole dept not just one aspect. 

For example, what is the pay for a VP at a public company who is in charge of a dept that does maybe billions of dollars worth of business?  Real money including stock options.  

Figure a college coach is in charge of a "department" that has about 120 employees in it including players, coaches, assistants, media, etc.  Maybe 150ish, but definitely under 200 people.  And they have to deal with "investors", which in this case would be boosters.  What would a dept head (superintendent, VP, whatever you want to call them) make?  

The top athletic programs revenue about $200 MM per year.  Look at a business with that kind of revenue and expenses, and see what they pay their top execs.  I'm guessing the top man would maybe get $1-2 MM (if not the founder) and the VP's would get $300-500K each.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #925 on: December 19, 2023, 01:02:30 PM »

And remember, it really wasn't all that long ago when most college coaches, even at big programs, made less than $1 MM.  I can remember when UT  made mack brown a member of the $1 MM club around 1999 or so.  It was a big deal then.  A&M supposedly lured Dennis Franchione (*Shudder!*) to A&M for $1.7 MM, up from $1.4 MM at Bama about 20 years ago.  And now all those guys in comparable jobs make 10x that amount, no big deal.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #926 on: December 19, 2023, 01:06:40 PM »
the way of determining a champion has done very little harm when compared to the affect of the NIL system and the transfer portal

When compensating the players started that gave the haves a huge boost

Arguably, you are correct, but the method of determining a champion has damaged the sport noticeably for a while now.  Used to be that fans of many teams had something to be excited about in the post-season, as finishing ranked, top 10, top 5, was something fans celebrated.  The more definitive the NC claimed to be, the more the sport focused on it to the exclusion of everything else, and the more the public followed suit.  And caring less about being anything other than NCs became more normal.  The BCS started it, the playoffs exacerbated it, expanding the playoffs is going to put the nail in the coffin for the post-season outside of the playoffs.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #927 on: December 19, 2023, 01:19:38 PM »
Arguably, you are correct, but the method of determining a champion has damaged the sport noticeably for a while now.  Used to be that fans of many teams had something to be excited about in the post-season, as finishing ranked, top 10, top 5, was something fans celebrated.  The more definitive the NC claimed to be, the more the sport focused on it to the exclusion of everything else, and the more the public followed suit.  And caring less about being anything other than NCs became more normal.  The BCS started it, the playoffs exacerbated it, expanding the playoffs is going to put the nail in the coffin for the post-season outside of the playoffs. 
Yep. And to add on to what you (CFP) and 320 (NIL) are both saying, then you add in the transfer portal and opt-outs. Everyone's already more concerned about where they're going to be next year than what's going on in the bowl game. 

The team that suits up for the bowl game may not resemble the team you watched play for 12 weeks because of a bunch of transfer-outs/opt-outs, and may ALSO not resemble the team that you're going to watch play for 12 weeks next fall because of how many new faces will transfer in. 

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #928 on: December 19, 2023, 01:30:00 PM »
I don't think NIL even has as much of an impact on my enjoyment as the transfer portal does.  The combined effect of the two hurts, but I think NIL without the portal would be fine

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #929 on: December 19, 2023, 01:58:53 PM »
The portal would be fine if sitting a year was involved. Kids wouldn't be transferring with an NIL motivation because nobody is paying NIL for kid to not play.

But now it looks like even the one-time portal thing is going away with that Judge in Ohio. 

Unlimited portal transfers + NIL = death to CFB.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #930 on: December 19, 2023, 02:02:25 PM »
Unlimited portal transfers + NIL = death to CFB. basically the NFL

And NFL = basically rat's ass

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #931 on: December 19, 2023, 02:12:23 PM »
The portal would be fine if sitting a year was involved. 
And either dropping or paying for the supposed Schollie
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #932 on: December 19, 2023, 02:44:51 PM »
NIL sucks because the rich get richer
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« Reply #933 on: December 19, 2023, 02:55:25 PM »
True but what about Buffet?
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #934 on: December 19, 2023, 03:04:44 PM »
I never liked going to buffets. Too many mouth breathers and such.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #935 on: December 19, 2023, 03:09:40 PM »
I never liked going to buffets. Too many mouth breathers and such.
I think the bigger problem is that it's bad, cheap, food. Which they entice you by giving you as much of it as you want. 

That said, there was a place in ~Carol Stream or so growing up called the Boston Sea Party. It was actually a pretty nice (white tablecloth) seafood restaurant, but they also offered a buffet. When my parents wanted to take the kids out to a fancier dinner, I would opt for the buffet and eat my weight in shrimp and crab legs. But it didn't come cheap. My parents knew I'd get their money's worth though. 

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« Reply #936 on: December 19, 2023, 03:24:23 PM »
I remember that place.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #937 on: December 19, 2023, 03:33:58 PM »
True but what about Buffet?
Warren needs to pony up for an OLine
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