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Topic: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
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utee94 · « **Reply #420 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:37:52 PM »

Why is everyone so worried about an 8-4 USC type of team getting into the playoff? In an 8-team playoff, they'd still need to beat 3 other playoff teams to win it all. In a 12-team playoff, they'd have to beat 4 because I'm assuming they'd be a low seed.

And if they did that, they would have earned it.

Realistically, how does a team get to 8-4, that could still win the playoff? Almost invariably it would be something like a rash of injuries early in the season, that healed up over time, and once they got to full strength, they ended up being pretty bad-ass. Sounds like a worthy CFP champion to me. *shrug*

utee94 · « **Reply #421 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:38:54 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 13, 2021, 04:35:32 PM

I don't think that there will be many three loss P5 conference champions getting in over a second G5 Conference champion with a bloated record. Maybe Bama.

Does anyone else find it odd that the quarterfinal round is at neutral sites? I get the final four and the NCG... but the elite eight? Wtf?

16 is equally awful compared to 12 or 10.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #422 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:40:14 PM »

Based on my above post, if we absolutely have to go to 12, what about this format:

Top-8 League Champions
Four at-large
Top-4 League Champions get a bye
Next 2 League Champions host
Next two highest ranked teams (champs or not) also host first round
Reseed after first round

On that basis, the 2014-2019 CFP fields would have been:
2019:

#1 13-0 LSU SEC, bye
#2 13-0 tOSU B1G, bye
#3 13-0 Clemson ACC, bye
#4 12-1 Oklahoma B12, bye
#5 11-2 UGA, host
#6 11-2 Oregon PAC, host
#7 11-2 Baylor, host
#8 10-3 Wisconsin
#9 10-2 Florida
#17 12-1 Memphis AAC, host
#19 12-1 BoiseSt MWC
#20 12-1 ApSt SBT

First round:

#20 ApSt at #5 UGA
#19 BoiseSt at #6 Oregon
#9 Florida at #7 Baylor
#8 Wisconsin at #17 Memphis

Quarter-Finals:

#1 LSU vs lowest ranked remaining team (likely #9 Florida)
#2 tOSU vs second lowest ranked remaining team (likely #8 Wisconsin)
#3 Clemson vs second highest ranked remaining team (likely #6 Oregon)
#4 Oklahoma vs highest ranked remaining team (likely #5 UGA)

2018:

#1 13-0 Bama SEC, bye
#2 13-0 Clemson ACC, bye
#3 12-0 Notre Dame, host
#4 12-1 Oklahoma B12, bye
#5 11-2 Georgia, host
#6 12-1 tOSU B1G, bye
#7 10-2 Michigan
#8 12-0 UCF AAC, host
#9 10-3 Washington PAC, host
#10 9-3 Florida
#21 11-2 FresnoSt MWC
nr 10-2 ApSt SBT

First round:

nr ApSt at #3 Notre Dame
#21 FresnoSt at #5 Georgia
#10 Florida at #8 UCF
#7 Michigan at #9 Washington

Quarter-Finals:

#1 Bama vs lowest ranked remaining team (likely UF)
#2 Clemson vs second lowest ranked remaining team (likely M or UW)
#3 Notre Dame or #4 Oklahoma vs second highest ranked remaining team (likely ND vs #6 tOSU)
#4 Oklahoma, #5 UGA, or #6 tOSU vs highest ranked remaining team (likely #4 OU vs #5 UGA)

2017:

#1 12-1 Clemson ACC, bye
#2 12-1 Oklahoma B12, bye
#3 12-1 Georgia, bye
#4 11-1 Bama, host
#5 11-2 tOSU, bye
#6 12-1 Wisconsin, host
#7 10-3 Auburn
#8 11-2 USC, PAC, host
#9 10-2 PSU
#12 12-0 UCF AAC, host
#25 10-3 BoiseSt
nr 10-2 Troy SBT

First round:

nr Troy at #4 Bama
#25 BoiseSt at #6 Wisconsin
#9 PSU at #8 USC
#7 Auburn at #12 UCF

Quarter-Finals:

#1 Clemson vs lowest ranked remaining team (likely PSU or USC)
#2 Oklahoma vs second lowest ranked remaining team (likely Auburn)
#3 Georgia vs second highest ranked remaining team (likely UW)
#4 Bama or #5 tOSU vs highest ranked remaining team (likely Bama vs tOSU)

2016:

#1 13-0 Bama SEC, bye
#2 12-1 Clemson ACC, bye
#3 11-1 tOSU, host
#4 12-1 Washington PAC, bye
#5 11-2 PSU B1G, bye
#6 10-2 Michigan, host
#7 10-2 Oklahoma B12, host
#8 10-3 Wisconsin
#9 9-3 USC
#15 13-0 WMU MAC, host
#24 10-3 Temple
nr 10-3 WKY CUSA

First round:

nr WKY at #3 tOSU
#24 Temple at #6 Michigan
#9 USC at #7 Oklahoma
#8 Wisconsin at #15 WMU

Quarter-Finals:

#1 Bama vs lowest ranked remaining team (likely UW or USC)
#2 Clemson vs second lowest ranked remaining team (likely UW or OU)
#3 tOSU or #4 Washington vs second highest ranked remaining team (likely tOSU vs M)
#4 Washington or #5 PSU vs highest ranked remaining team (likely UW vs PSU)

2015:

#1 13-0 Clemson ACC, bye
#2 12-1 Bama SEC, bye
#3 12-1 MSU B1G, bye
#4 11-1 Oklahoma B12, bye
#5 12-1 Iowa, host
#6 11-2 Stanford PAC, host
#7 11-1 tOSU, host
#8 10-2 Notre Dame
#9 10-2 FSU
#18 12-1 Houston AAC, host
nr 11-2 WKY
nr 10-3 BGSU

First round:

nr BGSU at #5 Iowa
nr WKY at #6 Stanford
#9 FSU at #7 tOSU
#8 Notre Dame at #18 Houston

Quarter-Finals:

#1 Clemson vs lowest ranked remaining team (likely #8 ND)
#2 Bama vs second lowest ranked remaining team (likely #7 tOSU)
#3 MSU vs second highest ranked remaining team (likely #6 Stanford)
#4 Oklahoma vs highest ranked remaining team (likely #5 Iowa)

2014:

#1 12-1 Bama SEC, bye
#2 12-1 Oregon PAC, bye
#3 13-0 FSU ACC, bye
#4 12-1 tOSU, bye
#5 11-1 Baylor, host
#6 11-1 TCU, host
#7 10-2 MissSt, host
#8 9-3 OleMiss
#9 10-3 Zona
#20 11-2 BoiseSt, host
nr 12-1 Marshall CUSA
nr 11-2 UNI MAC

First round:

nr UNI at #5 Baylor
nr Marshall at #6 TCU
#9 Zona at #7 MissSt
#8 OleMiss at #20 BoiseSt

Quarter-Finals:

#1 Bama vs lowest ranked remaining team (likely OleMiss)
#2 Oregon vs second lowest ranked remaining team (likely MissSt)
#3 FSU vs second highest ranked remaining team (likely TCU)
#4 tOSU vs highest ranked remaining team (likely Baylor)

FearlessF · « **Reply #423 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:43:13 PM »

this is simply a 4 team playoff as before, but they've added the G5 to avoid lawsuits and added another SEC team plus give more opportunity for the PAC and Big 12 that have been left out previously

how many times in a decade will a team outside the top 4 win this thing? once, twice, never?

it's not about a better or fair system, it's about appeasing teams that have been left out while making much more $$$

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #424 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:45:36 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on July 13, 2021, 03:53:17 PM

Split the difference. Six conference champs. Four at-large.

Two-game play-in, unlikely to get in four teams from one league unless the at-large pool just sucks.

I know some folks don’t like play-ins, but I think it builds some balance.

I think I'd be ok with that but I was assuming that the 12 was a fixed quantity that they had decided to go with.

FearlessF · « **Reply #425 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:46:08 PM »

a 5 or 6 seed hosting a G5 team will have a decent chance of upsetting winning a game vs the top 4, but they then have to play a 3rd game in 3 weeks vs another top 4 team

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #426 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:46:50 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 13, 2021, 03:57:21 PM

I like your version better than the current 12-team format being proposed, @medinabuckeye1

But I still hate the 12-team format.

I still hate the idea of teams 5-8 getting a home game while 1-4 get a bye. That seams like an advantage for the school ($$$) and fans (home game) that teams 1-4 are missing out on.

I still hate the byes at all. Pick 8 or 16, not 12. Same issue when people were talking about expansion to 6. It's just a bad number, if you have byes. This isn't NFL wild-card weekend. This is a tournament. Play the same number of games as everyone else.

8+4 is IMHO better than 6+6 as it relates to limiting the at-large field size such that it means something, but that still allows 2 more tallest midgets that don't have a shot, so you're trading off teams that at the very least might have a good run and win it all for teams that ASSUREDLY will not.

6+2 is the way to go. Top 6 ranked conference champs and 2 at-large. Done.

You and I are on exactly the same page here for exactly the same reasons.

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 13, 2021, 04:00:05 PM

Okay, if you have to have byes, I like 6+4 more than either 6+6 or 8+4. It limits the tallest midgets AND the mulligans.

And there's an oddly more acceptable idea to having 40% of the field playing to become 25% of the field, than there is for the 12-team byes where 66% of the field is playing to become part of 50% of the field... I'm not sure why. But I hate it less.

+1

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #427 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:48:50 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 13, 2021, 04:03:35 PM

How about a criterion that states that even a P5 conference champion, with 3 or more losses, cannot get in?

My issue with this is SoS. Schedules vary so much that I would always oppose a hard rule based on number of losses. If somebody decides to schedule Bama, Clemson, tOSU, and Oklahoma then they go 1-3 against that and 9-0 in their other games to finish 10-3 with all three losses being to top-5 teams, they shouldn't be ruled out in favor of some team that played a bunch of cupcakes and went 10-2.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #428 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:50:29 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 13, 2021, 04:35:32 PM

Does anyone else find it odd that the quarterfinal round is at neutral sites? I get the final four and the NCG... but the elite eight? Wtf?

I do think that is odd. Way too much travel for fans:

Neutral site CCG
Neutral site quarterfinal
Neutral site semifinal
Neutral site NCG

FearlessF · « **Reply #429 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:54:39 PM »

make all the games including the conference champ games on the higher ranked teams campus

lessens the probability of upsets

just the final game on a neutral site

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #430 on:** July 13, 2021, 04:59:38 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on July 13, 2021, 04:43:13 PM

this is simply a 4 team playoff as before, but they've added the G5 to avoid lawsuits and added another SEC team plus give more opportunity for the PAC and Big 12 that have been left out previously

how many times in a decade will a team outside the top 4 win this thing? once, twice, never?

it's not about a better or fair system, it's about appeasing teams that have been left out while making much more $$$

Fatigue is definitely going to be a factor which is the primary benefit of the bye.

Most of these teams will have played a CCG against a highly ranked opponent and for a lot of these teams their last regular season game is also a challenging game because it is usually a rivalry game and frequently against at least a decent opponent.

Looking at Ohio State and assuming they made the CFP but not the top-4 then went all the way to the NCG their season would end with:

Rivalry game against Michigan on Thanksgiving weekend
B1GCG against a highly ranked opponent
CFP "Play-in" game against a highly ranked opponent
CFP Quarterfinal against a highly ranked opponent
CFP Semifinal against a highly ranked opponent
CFPCG against a highly ranked opponent

That is just insane.

Ohio State's typical regular season schedule is one quality OOC opponent and usually about three of tOSU's B1G opponents are ranked so when that 17 game season was over the Buckeyes would have played something like nine games against ranked teams:

1 OOC
3 B1G regular season
1 B1GCG
4 CFP
9 ranked opponents

utee94 · « **Reply #431 on:** July 13, 2021, 05:00:18 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on July 13, 2021, 04:54:39 PM

make all the games including the conference champ games on the higher ranked teams campus

lessens the probability of upsets

just the final game on a neutral site

Heck put the final game on the higher-seeded campus as well. Since everyone seems to hate the idea of "upsets" so much, let's do everything we can to minimize that possibility.

Even better, just don't even play the games. Since everyone assumes they already know who the "best" team is, let's just use some kind of poll or something, and vote on it, and hand them the trophy!

847badgerfan · « **Reply #432 on:** July 13, 2021, 05:09:31 PM »

My thinking is that STILL only one G5 team gets in.

OR

The P5 just break with the NCAA and go it alone.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #433 on:** July 13, 2021, 05:32:11 PM »

We'd have a playoff champion. It likely won't be the "best team" most of the time.

I still muse about those recent UGA teams that were ranked 5 end of season and didn't make the playoff, I don't think they were close to being a real playoff team, seriously, they had some really big flaws. They might edge a "Cincinnati" on a last second FG, but that's about it.

I don't recall very many #5 or #6 teams I thought would have much chance, there were a few. So, maybe this is just a four team playoff with some other games thrown in.

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