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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #392 on: July 13, 2021, 12:04:37 PM »
I usually watch three games on Saturday, probably like most here, and channel surf during.  

Years ago, my buddy who is a huge OSU fan came over to drink wine and watch.  Georgia played at 3:30 and beat Tenn in OT and exhausted us, and then Ohio State played NW and pulled it out.  By 9:30 we were majorly fatigued, and slightly drunk.  We still talk about that day.

2013, I looked it up.  I remember UGA was held to a FG and then a Vol player fumbled out of the end zone before he crossed the goal line.  OSU led only 33-30 and scored a last second TD on a fumble recovery.


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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #393 on: July 13, 2021, 12:26:13 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 13, 2021, 08:56:33 AM
When OSU lost to USC, they were completely eliminated. There was absolutely nothing they could do in order to get back into it at that point. Hence the reason that they pulled the plug on the Big Ten season before it even started.

Florida DOES get a mulligan built in every year, as do all SEC teams. So I understand Fro's selfish desire to cling to that advantage. But I don't understand why anyone outside of the SEC fanbase would want it to continue.
The 2017 NC lost a late-season game to it's rival. (SEC)
The 2016 NC lost a mid-season game to an average conference foe.
The 2015 NC lost an early-season game to a good conference foe. (SEC)
The 2014 NC lost an early-season game to an average OOC foe.
The 2012 NC lost a late-season game to a good conference foe. (SEC)
The 2011 NC lost a late-season game in a 1 vs 2 matchup (SEC)
The 2008 NC lost an early-season game to an average conference foe (SEC)
The 2007 NC lost 2 games to average conference foes, both average teams (SEC)
The 2006 NC lost a mid-season game to a good conference foe (SEC)
Both 2003 NCs lost games - one mid-season to an average conference foe (SEC) and the other an early-season game to an average conference foe.
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Honestly, the SEC mulligan thing is sort of unfair here - not because it's not true, it is, but because so many of the recent NCs are SEC teams.  So while I'm taking the time to do this, it shouldn't be ignored just because of all of the SEC NCs.  I hope that's a fair context to keep in mind.
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Pre-SEC dominance/favoratism, back in 1996, Florida lost to FSU in a 1 vs 2 matchup.  Yes, I was distraught, but I immediately sat down and listed what would have to happen for Florida to win the NC.  We were ranked behind 3 teams that didn't play each other.  There was still hope.  
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Whether it was a late-season loss and needing a major upset to have any chance at the NC (1996) or losing at home to unranked Ole Miss (2008), there was still hope.  Maybe it's just the luxury or being spoiled, but living on that razor's edge is what makes college football different and special.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #394 on: July 13, 2021, 01:10:24 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 13, 2021, 12:26:13 PM
The 2017 NC lost a late-season game to it's rival. (SEC)
The 2016 NC lost a mid-season game to an average conference foe.
The 2015 NC lost an early-season game to a good conference foe. (SEC)
The 2014 NC lost an early-season game to an average OOC foe.
The 2012 NC lost a late-season game to a good conference foe. (SEC)
The 2011 NC lost a late-season game in a 1 vs 2 matchup (SEC)
The 2008 NC lost an early-season game to an average conference foe (SEC)
The 2007 NC lost 2 games to average conference foes, both average teams (SEC)
The 2006 NC lost a mid-season game to a good conference foe (SEC)
Both 2003 NCs lost games - one mid-season to an average conference foe (SEC) and the other an early-season game to an average conference foe.
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Honestly, the SEC mulligan thing is sort of unfair here - not because it's not true, it is, but because so many of the recent NCs are SEC teams.  So while I'm taking the time to do this, it shouldn't be ignored just because of all of the SEC NCs.  I hope that's a fair context to keep in mind.
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Pre-SEC dominance/favoratism, back in 1996, Florida lost to FSU in a 1 vs 2 matchup.  Yes, I was distraught, but I immediately sat down and listed what would have to happen for Florida to win the NC.  We were ranked behind 3 teams that didn't play each other.  There was still hope. 
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Whether it was a late-season loss and needing a major upset to have any chance at the NC (1996) or losing at home to unranked Ole Miss (2008), there was still hope.  Maybe it's just the luxury or being spoiled, but living on that razor's edge is what makes college football different and special.
Because all those teams lost games, doesn’t that pretty much tell us that every game didn’t really matter? Which is fine and good, but it makes it harder to cling to the idea that we are losing a world where every game matters. We are entering a world where a certain set of games matter dramatically less, and many other games that didn’t matter will now matter more.

in the SEC Mulligan isn’t really about getting the free loss. It’s the fact that with equal losses, an SEC team was always pushed to the head of the line. They might well have deserved it, but it made things incredibly boring, and drastically reduced the fun of this kind of standings watching. (And that matters if we’re arguing about the particular joy of watching this quirky style of season).
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #395 on: July 13, 2021, 01:14:09 PM »
I think I'd rather have boring and "the deserved it" than the reverse of that.

I only recall the one year where Alabama got in without winning the SEC, maybe it happened before.  They got in with the BCS once the same way.

They did win it both times.

If we get four SEC teams out of 12 nearly every year, that would be boring for many.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #396 on: July 13, 2021, 01:37:33 PM »
if this thing wasn't going to add money and better chances for the SEC, it wouldn't even be on the table
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #397 on: July 13, 2021, 01:47:00 PM »
Fwiw Saban has only gone undefeated twice at Bama.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #398 on: July 13, 2021, 01:56:22 PM »
and has the rings to prove that not EVERY game matters

just win the playoff
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #399 on: July 13, 2021, 02:00:25 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 13, 2021, 01:10:24 PM
Because all those teams lost games, doesn’t that pretty much tell us that every game didn’t really matter? Which is fine and good, but it makes it harder to cling to the idea that we are losing a world where every game matters. 
Well it's the uncertainty of it, isn't it?  You lose once, and the rest of your season is like hyper-intense because you absolutely cannot lose again.  And as often as not, there's been seasons, even in the playoff era, where 1 loss kills you.  
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #400 on: July 13, 2021, 02:03:42 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 13, 2021, 01:37:33 PM
if this thing wasn't going to add money and better chances for the SEC, it wouldn't even be on the table
Yeah, even this 12 team thing isn't going to cure people from lamenting the SEC's situation.  We're going to get 4 teams in on average every year.  Out of Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and LSU in any given year, 4 are going to be in or close to in.  Combine that with A&M or another school having a peak season, and it's going to get crowded.
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There will be years in which 3 of the final 4 teams will be from the SEC.  And if you thought 2011 was unsavory, wait until it happens.  
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #401 on: July 13, 2021, 02:05:57 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 13, 2021, 01:56:22 PM
and has the rings to prove that not EVERY game matters

just win the playoff
Can we not, with the sample size of one?  
Sure, if you're Alabama and you're on a run like college football has never seen before and you're preseason #1 for the decade, you're right, every game doesn't matter.  
Let's focus on the rest of the universe....
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #402 on: July 13, 2021, 02:16:10 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 13, 2021, 02:00:25 PM
Well it's the uncertainty of it, isn't it?  You lose once, and the rest of your season is like hyper-intense because you absolutely cannot lose again.  And as often as not, there's been seasons, even in the playoff era, where 1 loss kills you. 
Exactly.  I pointed out above that in the 4-team CFP era, tOSU has finished with one loss four times and they made the CFP two of those years.  Ie, with one loss a MAJOR P5 team has about a 50/50 chance of making the CFP field.  

That, to me, means that every game matters.  Sure, a game *MIGHT* not matter but you don't KNOW that going in and, as @OrangeAfroMan pointed out once you have a loss the rest of the games are hyper-intense because the chances of making it with two losses are near-zero.  
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #403 on: July 13, 2021, 02:36:29 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 13, 2021, 02:05:57 PM
Can we not, with the sample size of one? 
Sure, if you're Alabama and you're on a run like college football has never seen before and you're preseason #1 for the decade, you're right, every game doesn't matter. 
Let's focus on the rest of the universe....
sample size of one?
one program - Bama?
8 national titles if you count LSU - 2 seasons undefeated
Nebraska's run in the 90s was pretty good, unprecedented at the time - 3 national titles - 3 undefeated seasons
and some Michigan men aren't happy about that
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #404 on: July 13, 2021, 02:59:16 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 13, 2021, 02:36:29 PM
sample size of one?
one program - Bama?
8 national titles if you count LSU - 2 seasons undefeated
Nebraska's run in the 90s was pretty good, unprecedented at the time - 3 national titles - 3 undefeated seasons
and some Michigan men aren't happy about that
You're comparing late 90s Nebraska to Saban's Alabama?  Yes, Saban's Alabama is a sample size of one.  There is no comparison.  
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #405 on: July 13, 2021, 03:01:23 PM »
OK

you maybe right

but I'll put Osborne's 60-3 five year run with 3 undefeated seasons up against anyone
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