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Topic: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large

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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #350 on: July 12, 2021, 10:11:29 PM »
Then win your conference
With 4 teams getting byes and 6 conference champs........ehhhhhh.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #351 on: July 12, 2021, 10:11:54 PM »
so, have your important players sit out the game or at least the 2nd half when you're up by 30
See, they might get hurt before then.
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« Reply #352 on: July 12, 2021, 10:12:26 PM »
Yeah, nothing like pulling a plug on a season before the conference slate even starts because you lost a game to a top five team that you scheduled OOC instead of an FCS team like everyone else.

Good times.
9-7 Super Bowl winners is better.  You're right.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #353 on: July 12, 2021, 10:19:12 PM »
See, they might get hurt before then.
then sit them the 1st 3 quarters to see if you even need them
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #354 on: July 12, 2021, 10:20:54 PM »
then sit them the 1st 3 quarters to see if you even need them
Now you're advocating for a REALLY exciting playoff, with teams sitting their important players.
I rest my case.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #355 on: July 12, 2021, 10:21:07 PM »
It
makes
every
game
important
until
you
lose.
.
It's the one thing separating college football from every other team sport.
So, this got me thinking, went back and did a little math.
2019: 8
2018: 5
2017: 6
2016: 9
2015: 10

That's the number of P5 teams without a loss at the halfway point. So basically, halfway through the season, most of these games are not that kind of important. Which really does make the idea that every game counts ring hollow. 

What I think it's really saying is there's a certain kind of wistful love for a particular brand of standings watching. 

There's nothing wrong with it. We all see sports through different lenses. ELA really liked the mechanics of standings tied to bowl assignments. I tend to look at final records and the weight that comes with them. And a lot of people liked the sort of grinding, speculative viewing of wondering who makes it to seasons end with that "-0," in some ways the highest honor in the sport.

If anything, that makes most of the games beside the point. I watch my team do whatever, I keep an eye on 8 or so games to see, will someone biff this? Hell, 1-3 of those undefeateds listed above you usually don't pay much mind anyway (think that Nebraska team started 7-0). 

So we're not really losing the idea that "EVERY GAME MATTERS" or even that the first two conference games were extra important (since you put three bodybags and Bill Doba Washington State on eh slate). It's that this particular brand of standings watching was a certain kind of fun, and maybe we'll lose something without it.
 
Counting off undefeateds has always been part of my CFB experience, and maybe it’ll mean less if it decides byes or whatever. But looking back, so much time was spent on handwringing over speculation (part of the fun, I suppose), and little respect for the weird quirks around all of it, I imagine we’ll adapt and continue to enjoy in about as natural a way as we would.

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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #356 on: July 12, 2021, 10:23:25 PM »
Now you're advocating for a REALLY exciting playoff, with teams sitting their important players.
I rest my case.
I mean, you made up a problem that is easily solvable and also not really a problem. Now you are worried about the actual solution to the not real problem. 

Fortunately, it is not a real problem. 

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« Reply #357 on: July 12, 2021, 10:24:09 PM »
Now you're advocating for a REALLY exciting playoff, with teams sitting their important players.
I rest my case.
a 7 point game w/o important players is more exciting than a 30 point game

fans just love giving the underdog a fighting chance
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« Reply #358 on: July 12, 2021, 10:24:55 PM »
I mean, you made up a problem that is easily solvable and also not really a problem. Now you are worried about the actual solution to the not real problem.

Fortunately, it is not a real problem.
he just likes to argue, but we all know this
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« Reply #359 on: July 12, 2021, 10:26:53 PM »
As you know I am definitely NOT a fan of giving auto-bids to "tallest midget" champions from minor conferences but I think that six is WAY too many at-large slots so in a 12-team playoff that would make some sense. 

Instead, as it looks now we are going to end up killing the "every game matters" aspect by creating a situation where literally any 1-loss P5 will get in and at least half of the 2-loss P5's will likely get in as well. 

On the one hand, I liked the idea of five champs, one tall midget and two at-large. But it started to dawn on me that we're sort  of boring when we come to picking at larges, and I'd end up watching three SEC teams every year, so I kind of came around on the slightly bigger set. 

It's all rock and hard place unless you went backwards, and in the modern age, a BCS system or less would be effing unbearable from a noise standpoint. 

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« Reply #360 on: July 12, 2021, 10:45:28 PM »
I mean, you made up a problem that is easily solvable and also not really a problem. Now you are worried about the actual solution to the not real problem.

Fortunately, it is not a real problem.
It's not...until it happens.
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« Reply #361 on: July 12, 2021, 10:46:27 PM »
he just likes to argue, but we all know this
I also like that somehow, I'm always wrong.
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« Reply #362 on: July 12, 2021, 10:51:12 PM »
So, this got me thinking, went back and did a little math.
2019: 8
2018: 5
2017: 6
2016: 9
2015: 10

That's the number of P5 teams without a loss at the halfway point. So basically, halfway through the season, most of these games are not that kind of important. Which really does make the idea that every game counts ring hollow.

What I think it's really saying is there's a certain kind of wistful love for a particular brand of standings watching.

There's nothing wrong with it. We all see sports through different lenses. ELA really liked the mechanics of standings tied to bowl assignments. I tend to look at final records and the weight that comes with them. And a lot of people liked the sort of grinding, speculative viewing of wondering who makes it to seasons end with that "-0," in some ways the highest honor in the sport.

If anything, that makes most of the games beside the point. I watch my team do whatever, I keep an eye on 8 or so games to see, will someone biff this? Hell, 1-3 of those undefeateds listed above you usually don't pay much mind anyway (think that Nebraska team started 7-0).

So we're not really losing the idea that "EVERY GAME MATTERS" or even that the first two conference games were extra important (since you put three bodybags and Bill Doba Washington State on eh slate). It's that this particular brand of standings watching was a certain kind of fun, and maybe we'll lose something without it.
 
Counting off undefeateds has always been part of my CFB experience, and maybe it’ll mean less if it decides byes or whatever. But looking back, so much time was spent on handwringing over speculation (part of the fun, I suppose), and little respect for the weird quirks around all of it, I imagine we’ll adapt and continue to enjoy in about as natural a way as we would.
I'm just not enthused about forfeiting something unique (and perhaps major) about college football.  
Also, once a team does lose once, they still hold out hope the rest of the season.  Both back in the day and now.  Each game then matters as much or more.
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I do have to admit that my opinion on this matter is largely influence by my being born in 1980 and being a Florida fan.  From the age of 10 to 21, my team was "in it" nearly every year.  It was part of my normal college football experience.  
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #363 on: July 12, 2021, 10:52:03 PM »
injuries happen, even in national champ games

Colt McCoy vs Bama 2009

Late in the 3rd quarter of the 1984 Orange Bowl, Mike Rozier was forced to leave the game with a severe ankle injury.

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