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TyphonInc

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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #140 on: June 13, 2021, 12:04:44 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 12, 2021, 02:29:13 PM
It's better than a lot of the ideas that we've had on here. And we've spent a lot of time thinking about it, from what we thought was every angle imaginable.

That said I'm sure they'll figure out a way to screw it up, because that's what they do.

I'm not against 12 teams. (Or eight) I wish though they would give 6 a try, before jumping to a larger number. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #141 on: June 13, 2021, 12:44:49 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 12, 2021, 02:38:35 PM
My problem isn't even the number (which is too many), it's the reasons behind the formatting.  6 at-larges to make sure ND gets its special treatment.  1 G5 to shut them up, combined with 11 big-boy teams so it's not really a chance at all.  It's a lie. 
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The bolded part, why does this matter? This sport is by nature unfair. From top to bottom. We lie all the time about it. 

If the lie that offends is "a team will get a simple, coherent chance to prove its mettle, and if it is not good enough, that's that," it's a fine lie to have. 

(Makes me think about when I lived in Indiana and the old single class system. That was eventually done away with, arguably for the better. And if down the road the G5 decides it's time to pull out and have its own playoff, the P5 won't stop them)
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #142 on: June 13, 2021, 01:15:37 PM »
A top G5 team can, and will, win the first round.  They've done it before, almost did it last year.  Great for them, two high profile games, maybe they lose the second.

Maybe they get embarrassed.

The more I consider all this the more sanguine I become about it.  I'd prefer something else, but this may be OK.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #143 on: June 13, 2021, 03:45:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 13, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
A top G5 team can, and will, win the first round.  They've done it before, almost did it last year.  Great for them, two high profile games, maybe they lose the second.

Maybe they get embarrassed.

The more I consider all this the more sanguine I become about it.  I'd prefer something else, but this may be OK.
Name the last time a ranked G5 beat a ranked P5 team late in the season when the P5 still had a shot at the NC.
G5 teams don't know what a P5 team running at full bore even looks like.  We're doing to see the true, vast gap between these programs.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #144 on: June 13, 2021, 03:46:59 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 13, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
The bolded part, why does this matter? This sport is by nature unfair. From top to bottom. We lie all the time about it.

If the lie that offends is "a team will get a simple, coherent chance to prove its mettle, and if it is not good enough, that's that," it's a fine lie to have.
Because it's hopping from one lie (G5 are on the same plane now) to another lie (G5 gets a spot that will never, ever yield a NC anyway).  What's the point of replacing one lie with another?
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #145 on: June 13, 2021, 03:48:32 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 13, 2021, 09:36:55 AM
this is the real world
not the world of education/academia
You're right....far too many ignorant people to allow such things.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #146 on: June 13, 2021, 04:14:50 PM »
I don't view these as lies, perhaps misconceptions in the minds of whoever.  Much of reality is about creating illusions enough people will believe.

I still believe some G5 team can win the first round.  I also suspect it will be rare that any of the teams out of the byes win the NC.*  Some team ranked 5th will be pretty good, certainly good enough to beat 12 of course, and then good enough to challenge in the next round.  There will be a premium on being at least 5-8 obviously.  

The four highest-ranked conference champions would be seeded one through four and each would receive a first-round bye, while teams seeded five through 12 would play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team. (The team ranked #5 would host #12; team #6 would meet team #11; team #7 would play team #10; and team #8 would meet #9.) Under the proposal, the quarterfinals and semifinals would be played in bowl games. The championship game would continue to be at a neutral site, as under the current format.

*I would note that Alabama would have been a five seed one year they did win the NC, so my statement is, well, equivocal.  Could a Cincinnati win the second round?  Probably not.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #147 on: June 13, 2021, 04:19:12 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 13, 2021, 03:46:59 PM
Because it's hopping from one lie (G5 are on the same plane now) to another lie (G5 gets a spot that will never, ever yield a NC anyway).  What's the point of replacing one lie with another?
Because opportunity matters, mostly. It's sports, you determine it with a game (and a more open selection, and that's that).  

Again, if they get tired of not having a chance at a title, they'll quit, same as Vandy, Wake Forest, Indiana football for much of its history. Beautiful, simple, easy. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #148 on: June 13, 2021, 04:42:31 PM »
I predict 4 seeds will win the NC less often than they statistically "should".  The 5 seed will often be the 4th, 3rd, or 2nd-ranked team going into the playoff.  Hell, if ND is ranked 1st in the country, they'd be a 5-seed.  
Imagine being the 4 seed and having to play the consensus #1 team.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #149 on: June 13, 2021, 05:26:56 PM »
My favorite part of the new cfp format is watching it eat away at fro.

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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #150 on: June 13, 2021, 05:29:01 PM »
Do you think this is probably the real final final (maybe with slight adjustments) deal?

Are we talking say 2024 for it to happen?

Nd can never get a bye?

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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2021, 05:38:45 PM »
ND can get a bye if they join a conference. So can Army and BYU and whoever else.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #152 on: June 13, 2021, 07:57:48 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 13, 2021, 05:26:56 PM
My favorite part of the new cfp format is watching it eat away at fro.


Sucks for you - I enjoy the conversation.  Boo hoo!
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #153 on: June 13, 2021, 07:59:42 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 13, 2021, 05:26:56 PM
My favorite part of the new cfp format is watching it eat away at fro.


I do believe they came up with 12 teams and this format based solely 2 things - favoratism for ND and lip service for the G5.  The problem is that I don't think they explored all of these other "side effects" before releasing it to the public.  
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It's unimpressive, that's all.
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