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Topic: Should there be billionaires? A test.

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« Reply #56 on: Today at 08:54:17 AM »
Hard to make it work in one's favor when the provisions and tax laws aren't slanted in you're favor
get a job as a bartender - the perks are good and yer not taxed on tips or OT
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« Reply #57 on: Today at 08:56:18 AM »
Hard to make it work in one's favor when the provisions and tax laws aren't slanted in you're favor
The standard deduction is large enough now that itemizing for most middle income folks will be ill advised, no matter how hard they work at it.

Your SALT deduction won't be large rnough to matter.  Maybe I'm missing something.

I've also read that Roth distributions are generally not taxed at the state level.


  • In general, qualified distributions from a Roth IRA are exempt from both state and federal income taxes.
  • Roth IRA contributions are not tax-deductible at either the federal or state level.
  • You may be able to elect to have state tax withheld on Roth IRA distributions in some states, but the specifics depend on your state's requirements and your chosen withholding options.


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« Reply #58 on: Today at 08:57:51 AM »
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« Reply #59 on: Today at 08:59:31 AM »
Remember, patents expire in 20 years.
I haven’t a lot of people have been finding ways to extend that? Feel like there was some coverage of that

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« Reply #60 on: Today at 09:00:22 AM »
The standard deduction is large enough now that itemizing for most middle income folks will be ill advised, no matter how hard they work at it.

Your SALT deduction won't be large rnough to matter.  Maybe I'm missing something.

I've also read that Roth distributions are generally not taxed at the state level.


  • In general, qualified distributions from a Roth IRA are exempt from both state and federal income taxes.
  • Roth IRA contributions are not tax-deductible at either the federal or state level.
  • You may be able to elect to have state tax withheld on Roth IRA distributions in some states, but the specifics depend on your state's requirements and your chosen withholding options.


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« Reply #61 on: Today at 09:01:09 AM »
The standard deduction is large enough now that itemizing for most middle income folks will be ill advised, no matter how hard they work at it.

Your SALT deduction won't be large rnough to matter.  Maybe I'm missing something.

I've also read that Roth distributions are generally not taxed at the state level.


  • In general, qualified distributions from a Roth IRA are exempt from both state and federal income taxes.
  • Roth IRA contributions are not tax-deductible at either the federal or state level.
  • You may be able to elect to have state tax withheld on Roth IRA distributions in some states, but the specifics depend on your state's requirements and your chosen withholding options.


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« Reply #62 on: Today at 09:04:56 AM »
Imagine we institute some kind of billionaire wealth tax.  How would the IRS be be able to assess it?  They have no idea how much wealth I have.  I might have a Matisse on my walls, or gold bullion in a safe place.  OK, so they ask us all to fill out a form?  All of us?

I know Forbes estimates who has a billion, but it's a rough estimate, at best.  I'm not sure how it works.  

For those with X million shares of stock in a publically traded company it's pretty easy, on specific days.  Space X isn't, so how much is it worth?

Badger is part owner of a smaller company, how much is it worth?  Do they trust his valuation?  

Seems to me such a tax would encourage some folks to hide their wealth, which for billionaires is feasible (often).  And would we all have to make some kind of wealth declaration to the IRS each year?  

Europe mostly discovered this raised little revenue and wasn't worth the effort, what could we do differently?  We have somewhere around $7 trillion in wealth by billionaires in the US, so a 2% tax on that would obviously be $140 billion a year, if collected.  I suspect it would cost that much in paperwork trying to enforce it. And it's less than 10% of the current deficit.

If taxed at a higher rate, you'd have billionaires needing to sell stock, probably, which could mean the stock price would drop if they are major holders.


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« Reply #63 on: Today at 09:07:24 AM »
Imagine we institute some kind of billionaire wealth tax.  How would the IRS be be able to assess it?  They have no idea how much wealth I have.  I might have a Matisse on my walls, or gold bullion in a safe place.  OK, so they ask us all to fill out a form?  All of us?

I know Forbes estimates who has a billion, but it's a rough estimate, at best.  I'm not sure how it works. 

For those with X million shares of stock in a publically traded company it's pretty easy, on specific days.  Space X isn't, so how much is it worth?

Badger is part owner of a smaller company, how much is it worth?  Do they trust his valuation? 

Seems to me such a tax would encourage some folks to hide their wealth, which for billionaires is feasible (often).  And would we all have to make some kind of wealth declaration to the IRS each year? 

Europe mostly discovered this raised little revenue and wasn't worth the effort, what could we do differently?  We have somewhere around $7 trillion in wealth by billionaires in the US, so a 2% tax on that would obviously be $140 billion a year, if collected.  I suspect it would cost that much in paperwork trying to enforce it. And it's less than 10% of the current deficit.

If taxed at a higher rate, you'd have billionaires needing to sell stock, probably, which could mean the stock price would drop if they are major holders.


I'm not an owner anymore. Would my valuation be trusted? Probably not in New York.
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« Reply #64 on: Today at 09:16:34 AM »
an aggressive sales tax on items billionaires purchase

I think we tried a tax on expensive boats

European sports cars ?
private jets
Caviar 
wagyu beef
wine and liquor over $200/bottle
jewelry

long list
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« Reply #65 on: Today at 09:19:51 AM »
How about Budwater???
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« Reply #66 on: Today at 09:23:03 AM »
We had such a tax on planes a yachts at one time.  You know what happened?

It basically killed off those industries.  


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Jul 15, 1993 — Rich people have to pay too much for their yachts. The reason is the 10 percent luxury tax that went into effect two years ago.


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« Reply #67 on: Today at 09:26:53 AM »
get a job as a bartender - the perks are good and yer not taxed on tips or OT
Ya,no I'd be subjected to an inordinate amount week moments
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« Reply #68 on: Today at 09:30:57 AM »
We had such a tax on planes a yachts at one time.  You know what happened?

It basically killed off those industries. 
I know some blue collar types work in those industries and some white collars, but maybe killing those industries wouldn't be all bad.
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« Reply #69 on: Today at 09:32:20 AM »
Killing any legal industry is bad.
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