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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #182 on: December 17, 2018, 04:09:28 PM »
2012 always interests me when it comes to what-if playoff talk, for obvious reasons.  It included 2 SEC teams in the top 3, but they hadn't played each other yet.  That would be a big deal, imo, if it ever came about again (for any conference).
It also involved ND.
A PAC-12 team ranked higher than the PAC-12 champ (and with 1 fewer loss)
A conference champ ranked 5th, behind a non-champ
1. 12-0 ND
2. 12-1 Alabama (SEC Champ)
3. 11-1 Florida
4. 11-1 Oregon
5. 11-1 Kansas State (BigXII co-champ)
6. 11-2 Stanford (PAC Champ)
In this example, I think Florida was safely in, as they hadn't had their shot vs Bama yet.  The real debate would be tween Oregon, KSU, and Stanford.  Oregon's only loss was to Stanford, and one of Stanford's losses was to ND already.  
I assume they'd omit the unsexy helmet of KSU, fair or not, and it would be a toss-up between the Ducks and Trees.
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #183 on: December 17, 2018, 04:12:45 PM »
For those of you wanting to toss out the CCGs, here's what the top 4 was pre-championship weekend:
1. ND
2. Alabama
3. Georgia
4. Florida

Be careful what you wish for.
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #184 on: December 17, 2018, 04:25:49 PM »
Lowest ranked major conference teams with 0, 1, or 2 losses; BCS and CFP era (using final pre-bowl AP poll):
1998:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #1 (Tennessee)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #9 (FSU, tOSU, KSU, Zona, UCLA, Wisc)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #17 (UF, aTm, Arky, GaTech, UVA, ND)
1999:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #2 (FSU, VaTech)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #7 (UNL, KSU)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #15 (Wisc, Bama, TN, M, MSU, MissSt)
2000:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #1 (OU)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #6 (Miami, FSU, Wash, OrSU, VaTech)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #16 (UF, Ore, UNL, ND, Tx, Clemson)
2001:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #1 (Miami)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #7 (Ore, UNL, UMD, IL)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #13 (Colo, UF, TN, TX, OU, Stan, WSU)
2002:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #2 (Miami, tOSU)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #4 (IA, UGA)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #11 (USC, KSU, WSU, OU, TX, ND)
2003:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  n/a
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #3 (USC, LSU, OU)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #10 (M, TX, TN, tOSU, FSU, Miami)
2004:  
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #3 (USC, OU, Aub)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #6 (Cal, Tx)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #16 (UGA, VaTech, IA, LSU, M, Wisc)
2005:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #2 (USC, TX)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #11 (PSU, Ore, WVU)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #18 (tOSU, ND, Aub, UGA, Miami, LSU, VaTech, Bama, Louisville, UCLA, TxTech)
2006:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #1 (tOSU)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #6 (UF, M, Louisville, Wisc)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #16 (LSU, OU, USC, Aub, ND, WVU, VaTech, Wake, RU)
2007:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  n/a
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #8 (tOSU, Kansas)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #12 (LSU, OU, UGA, VaTech, USC, Mizzou, WVU, ASU)
2008:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  n/a
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #8 (UF, OU, TX, Bama, USC, PSU, TxTech)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #12 (tOSU, Cincy)
2009:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #4 (Cincy)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #5 (UF)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #11 (Ore, tOSU, GaTech, IA, PSU)
2010:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #2 (Aub, Ore)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #7 (Wisc, Stan, tOSU, MSU)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #16 (Ark, OU, LSU, VaTech, Mizzou, OkSU)
2011:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #1 (LSU)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #4 (Bama, OkSU, Stan)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #17 (USC, Ore, Ark, Wisc, USCe, KSU, M, VaTech)
2012:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #3 (ND, tOSU)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #7 (Bama, UF, Ore, KSU)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #14 (UGA, Stan, LSU, aTm, USCe, OU, FSU, Clemson)
2013:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #1 (FSU)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #7 (Aub, Bama, MSU, Baylor, tOSU)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #13 (Stan, USCe, Mizzou, Ore, OU, Clemson, OkSU)
2014:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #2 (FSU)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #6 (Bama, Ore, Baylor, tOSU, TCU)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #8 (MSU, MissSt)
2015:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #1 (Clemson)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #7 (Bama, MSU, OU, IA, tOSU)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #13 (Stan, ND, FSU, UNC, TCU, NU, OkSU)
2016:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #1 Bama
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #4 (tOSU, Clemson, Wash)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #14 (PSU, M, OU, WVU)
2017:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  n/a
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #6 (Clemson, OU, UGA, Bama, Wisc)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #12 (tOSU, USC, PSU, Miami, Wash)
2018:
  • Lowest ranked undefeated:  #3 (Bama, Clemson, ND)
  • Lowest ranked 1-loss:  #5 (OU, tOSU)
  • Lowest ranked 2-loss:  #12 (UGA, M, WSU)

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #185 on: December 30, 2018, 11:59:43 AM »
Maybe it is just this year, but it seems to me the difference between #2 and #3 was substantial, and the difference between #1 and #4 was that #1 is a complete team with an offense and most importantly, a defense, while #4 was a team with an offense.

Georgia may be the 3rd best team, but they already had their crack at Alabama, and they had a loss to LSU.

Just because the difference between #4 and #5 was close, makes it tempting to bring in more teams. The purpose of the playoff is not to determine the #4 or #5 team. Some year the desire for more teams may make sense, but not in 2018. In 2018 the question of #1 or #2 is between Clemson and Alabama.

We already have too many games for the academic load players carry, and for the wear and tear on their bodies.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #186 on: December 30, 2018, 12:04:30 PM »
I see folks on FB saying they don't like blowouts but want an expanded playoff at the same time.  One wanted the latter at 16 teams but have OU and ND not included.

This year was unusual in several respects, including having 3 P5 teams undefeated.  There was an apparent gap between 1-2 and 3-4-5-6, but expanding the playoff doesn't fix that.  And we might yet find that Bama blows out Clemson (or vice versa) and there really was only one team worth noting.  Clemson's best wins are close over A&M and Syracuse, and now ND (who is not looking great).

Otherwise, Clemson pushed around some pretty bad ACC teams.  Their new QB is really impressive and they can run and play defense, so I think they are a solid team though.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #187 on: December 30, 2018, 01:41:19 PM »
A weak SOS doesn't automatically mean a team isn't the best, it simply means we don't know if they are.  For programs that get the benefit of the doubt, whether it be eye test or helmet or whatever, it's fine, it doesn't matter.  But to everyone else, they can't allow for that uncertainty, and obviously need to schedule tougher.




But yes, expanding the playoff guarantees more blowouts, by simple logic.  
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #188 on: December 30, 2018, 04:56:29 PM »
Some claimed ND played a weak slate, so I noted that Clemson played a rather similar slate, perhaps not even as tough.

Just about everyone's schedule can be criticized in most years.  And obviously a lot depends on how you hammer the mediocre teams.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #189 on: December 30, 2018, 07:20:54 PM »
Some claimed ND played a weak slate, so I noted that Clemson played a rather similar slate, perhaps not even as tough.

Just about everyone's schedule can be criticized in most years.  And obviously a lot depends on how you hammer the mediocre teams.
I rarely have any problems w/ NDs schedule. They play road games all over the country which isn't really easy. 

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #190 on: December 30, 2018, 08:08:19 PM »
The weak ND schedule seems like bad luck more than anything. If I said you’d play:

USC
Stanford
FSU
VT
Michigan 
NW

That probably is fine. Granted they got 10-win Syracuse, bowl level Vandy. In terms of recent history, the worst teams there are Ball State, which was kinda OK when that was scheduled, Vandy and Syracuse. The fourth worst team from the perspective of what they should be in the recent era is Pitt, ehhh has at least bowled in 10 of 11 years.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #191 on: December 31, 2018, 09:13:57 AM »
Schedules are set years ahead of time, so I view schedules as being of programs rather than teams.

You could schedule Texas and USC in 2010 and played them both in 2015 and it would look a lot different.

Syracuse is usually weak but had a pretty sound team this year, same with NW (NW less often weak of late of course).  Vandy was a mediocre team, which is better than they often have been.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #192 on: December 31, 2018, 09:49:52 AM »
ND will join a conference, perhaps, AFTER they are left out with a 12-0 season. of left out several times with 11-1 seasons.

The Big 12 got a CG because of that.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #193 on: December 31, 2018, 10:05:44 AM »
Those who complain about the committee's selections might note that the AP and Coaches polls had the same top four as well, and nearly the same top ten, with a couple of one place flips.

Everyone of note really reaches the same conclusion.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #194 on: January 01, 2019, 02:47:12 PM »
because they're sheep
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #195 on: January 01, 2019, 03:48:23 PM »
No, because the ranking is obvious.

 

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