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ELA · « **Reply #14 on:** May 23, 2020, 12:50:24 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on May 23, 2020, 12:46:06 PM

Didn't Heath Shuler play at Tennessee?

For all intents and purposes, that was the last place he played.

Speaking of 90s QB busts, with the Ryan Leaf news last night, I was reading his bio. Obviously he was bad, but I didn't realize just how horrible his rookie season was, and the full extent of not giving an F he put in. My god, Rodney Harrison said he saw guys who just got paid and then didn't put the work in, but Leaf was the one guy who seemed to actively put the work in to alienate his teammates. Then watched a little bit of his debut game against the Bills. First two plays were a fumbled snap, and a screen pass to absolutely nobody. He was totally overwhelmed, but the worst part is he looked neither overwhelmed, nor like it was going to be ok. He was just like, "well, this is this"

Cincydawg · « **Reply #15 on:** May 23, 2020, 02:03:32 PM »

I imagine if you are 22 and get some guaranteed contract of say $16 million, you could figure "I'm set for life, F it.". Of course, you might lean by age 40 it didn't stretch like you wanted, by the time taxes were withheld, and you paid your agent, and then had to pay health insurance and the going bill for that $2 million house you bought.

One needs a lot of money to retire at 22, much more than if you retire at say 40.

ELA · « **Reply #16 on:** May 23, 2020, 02:16:37 PM »

He came out early, and got $11 million guaranteed. $11 million to a 21 year old in San Diego with a drug addiction can go quickly

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2020, 02:23:36 PM »

I'm not sure what RBs Florida has squandered.
Going back, all I can think of is Mon Williams, who was like 6'3" and from TX, I believe. He just didn't get on the field. And the guy who was 2nd in all the FL HS rushing records, but he tore his knee up twice. Ah, that was Willie Green.

A time frame would be useful here, but oh well.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #18 on:** May 23, 2020, 02:51:43 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2020, 02:23:36 PM

I'm not sure what RBs Florida has squandered.
Going back, all I can think of is Mon Williams, who was like 6'3" and from TX, I believe. He just didn't get on the field. And the guy who was 2nd in all the FL HS rushing records, but he tore his knee up twice. Ah, that was Willie Green.

A time frame would be useful here, but oh well.

I'm bored and gonna look at it. 247 has top recruits, at least the top 247 of them (Cheeky). Here's the top backs they've gotten, which accounts for a lot of but not all the four/five-stars.

Ciatrick Fason No. 9 nationally Topped out at No. 1,267, so good
Kelvin Taylor No. 21 Topped out at 1,035, never a high end stud, but a low-end one
DeShawn Wynn No. 48 Best year was 699 yards in 14 games, was a starter on a title team
Chris Rainey No. 45 Peaked at 861 yards, but was solid every year
Mike Blakely No. 58 Quit
Willie Green No. 103 Body fell apart
Mon Williams 95 Bust, RIP
Jordan Scarlett No. 117 Ran for 889 and 776 yards around an injury, so fine
Chevon Walker 107 Bust
Bo Williams 132 Left
Mark Thompson No. 5 JUCO Two so-so years as a third stringer
Mike Gillislee No. 144 Ended career as a 1,100 yard back
Dameon Pierce No. 201 Not high usage, but effective in first two years
Nay'Quan Wright No. 261 Hardley played as a freshman
D'Anfernee McGriff No. 257 Didn't make it
Adam Lane No. 272 Helped a bit as a freshman, then left
Jeff Demps No. 257 Topped out at 745 yards, but dipped the next two years
Skyler Thornton No. 148 Mostly a bust
Markus Manson No. 214 Nothing after an OK first year
Mack Brown No. 85 A mostly bad back whose best season was not that good

So in terms of top-300 recruits, no one blossomed into a high-end star, though there were a good number of low-end stars or very solid to good backs.

Some of it also has to do with expectations. We expect more from good recruits, or high draft picks, than we should.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #19 on:** May 23, 2020, 02:52:15 PM »

Quote from: ELA on May 23, 2020, 12:50:24 PM

For all intents and purposes, that was the last place he played.

Speaking of 90s QB busts, with the Ryan Leaf news last night, I was reading his bio. Obviously he was bad, but I didn't realize just how horrible his rookie season was, and the full extent of not giving an F he put in. My god, Rodney Harrison said he saw guys who just got paid and then didn't put the work in, but Leaf was the one guy who seemed to actively put the work in to alienate his teammates. Then watched a little bit of his debut game against the Bills. First two plays were a fumbled snap, and a screen pass to absolutely nobody. He was totally overwhelmed, but the worst part is he looked neither overwhelmed, nor like it was going to be ok. He was just like, "well, this is this"

Man had a lot of issues.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #20 on:** May 23, 2020, 02:58:52 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on May 23, 2020, 02:51:43 PM

I'm bored and gonna look at it. 247 has top recruits, at least the top 247 of them (Cheeky). Here's the top backs they've gotten, which accounts for a lot of but not all the four/five-stars.

Ciatrick Fason No. 9 nationally Topped out at No. 1,267, so good
Kelvin Taylor No. 21 Topped out at 1,035, never a high end stud, but a low-end one
DeShawn Wynn No. 48 Best year was 699 yards in 14 games, was a starter on a title team
Chris Rainey No. 45 Peaked at 861 yards, but was solid every year
Mike Blakely No. 58 Quit
Willie Green No. 103 Body fell apart
Mon Williams 95 Bust, RIP
Jordan Scarlett No. 117 Ran for 889 and 776 yards around an injury, so fine
Chevon Walker 107 Bust
Bo Williams 132 Left
Mark Thompson No. 5 JUCO Two so-so years as a third stringer
Mike Gillislee No. 144 Ended career as a 1,100 yard back
Dameon Pierce No. 201 Not high usage, but effective in first two years
Nay'Quan Wright No. 261 Hardley played as a freshman
D'Anfernee McGriff No. 257 Didn't make it
Adam Lane No. 272 Helped a bit as a freshman, then left
Jeff Demps No. 257 Topped out at 745 yards, but dipped the next two years
Skyler Thornton No. 148 Mostly a bust
Markus Manson No. 214 Nothing after an OK first year
Mack Brown No. 85 A mostly bad back whose best season was not that good

So in terms of top-300 recruits, no one blossomed into a high-end star, though there were a good number of low-end stars or very solid to good backs.

Some of it also has to do with expectations. We expect more from good recruits, or high draft picks, than we should.

Yeah, I mean I mostly see guys sharing time or lower-rung guys beating out higher guys. I forgot about Mon Williams and Bo Williams. They got shots, just weren't good enough to get on the field much.

This is the worst?

bayareabadger · « **Reply #21 on:** May 23, 2020, 03:17:47 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2020, 02:58:52 PM

Yeah, I mean I mostly see guys sharing time or lower-rung guys beating out higher guys. I forgot about Mon Williams and Bo Williams. They got shots, just weren't good enough to get on the field much.

This is the worst?

Hmmm, maybe?

I mean, you got 20 blue chippers and between them three 1,000-yard seasons and a decent number of 700 or 800 with varying levels of effectiveness.

As ELA said, there's probably like 15ish schools that even eligible, maybe more, and that's a pretty small group of "star" running backs. Granted, era would have some impact. Miami hasn't been great since 2005. Michigan not great since 2015.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #22 on:** May 23, 2020, 03:36:29 PM »

Hmm, I'm not like "oh no, Florida can't be the worst!", but with my knowledge of these players and seasons, there weren't any that played much and stunk. They either contributed or didn't play.
Meyer's offense takes carries away from the RB, or at least it did at Florida. Tebow took 200 carries away from the RB right off the top. Then Harvin would take another 60-90 carries away.
Demps and Rainey both averaged about 6.5 ypc for their careers, which is elite.
Even after Meyer, Muschamp had Driskel carrying the ball a lot (his strength) and RBs sharing time. Kelvin Taylor's biggest crime was not being as good as his dad (Fred Taylor).
Deshawn Wynn would've been a 1,200 yard back, if given the carries. Same with Scarlett.

Florida's issue at RB, if there is one, is that they tend to recruit super-productive, squat/short guys. All of the elite recruits who play QB in HS because they're just the best athlete and run around and win games tend to go to WR.

I assume everyone would like one bell-cow RB demanding all the carries, but it just hasn't worked out that way at Florida. It's interesting, though.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #23 on:** May 23, 2020, 03:55:03 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2020, 03:36:29 PM

Hmm, I'm not like "oh no, Florida can't be the worst!", but with my knowledge of these players and seasons, there weren't any that played much and stunk. They either contributed or didn't play.
Meyer's offense takes carries away from the RB, or at least it did at Florida. Tebow took 200 carries away from the RB right off the top. Then Harvin would take another 60-90 carries away.
Demps and Rainey both averaged about 6.5 ypc for their careers, which is elite.
Even after Meyer, Muschamp had Driskel carrying the ball a lot (his strength) and RBs sharing time. Kelvin Taylor's biggest crime was not being as good as his dad (Fred Taylor).
Deshawn Wynn would've been a 1,200 yard back, if given the carries. Same with Scarlett.

Florida's issue at RB, if there is one, is that they tend to recruit super-productive, squat/short guys. All of the elite recruits who play QB in HS because they're just the best athlete and run around and win games tend to go to WR.

I assume everyone would like one bell-cow RB demanding all the carries, but it just hasn't worked out that way at Florida. It's interesting, though.

Yeah, it's also very much tied up in what you expect.

Like when they came in, if I told you when each signed, each would have one season where the touched the ball 10 times a game, and the most high-usage season would be 861 yards at 5 yards a carry, how would one take that?

And UF seems to have been that way through Spurrier too to a degree. Fred Taylor was a beast, and he only passed 880 yards once and played a senior season (I guess injuries were a thing?).

Mdot21 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 23, 2020, 04:45:39 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2020, 09:57:44 AM

Why a 5* QB is committed to Michigan right now is beyond me.

I have no idea either.

Hopefully McCarthy has the same type of football IQ and toughness and strong will and competitive spirit of Andrew Luck and that he can be great in spite of Jim Harbaugh trying to F it all up. Fingers crossed.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #25 on:** May 23, 2020, 06:54:23 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on May 23, 2020, 03:55:03 PM

And UF seems to have been that way through Spurrier too to a degree. Fred Taylor was a beast, and he only passed 880 yards once and played a senior season (I guess injuries were a thing?).

No injuries, Florida just had 2 other good RBs. Taylor showed how great he was his SR year without the other 2 around anymore.

FearlessF · « **Reply #26 on:** May 23, 2020, 08:16:07 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on May 23, 2020, 04:45:39 PM

I have no idea either.

Hopefully McCarthy has the same type of football IQ and toughness and strong will and competitive spirit of Andrew Luck and that he can be great in spite of Jim Harbaugh trying to F it all up. Fingers crossed.

I'm not as hopeful as you

Mdot21 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 23, 2020, 08:27:10 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on May 23, 2020, 08:16:07 PM

I'm not as hopeful as you

Yeah my hope is McCarthy sticks with Michigan, redshirts and then Jim goes back to the NFL in 2022 and maybe Gattis takes over.

Jim bolted for the NFL and Stanford only got better under David Shaw. Similar thing could always happen again lol.

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