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Topic: Scheduling 18 teams

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2023, 08:36:41 PM »
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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2023, 12:02:37 AM »
I guess another idea is to redo divisions every year based on some idea of rotating opponents.  Basically keep the flex plus that came out for locked games, lock Oregon and Washington only with each other (they weren't playing USC and UCLA every year), and then redo the divisions every year.  For teams with two locked opponents, they would have to be in a division every year with one or the other. For Iowa (the only team with 3 locked opponents), they'd have to be in a division with 2.  

This isn't as neat as a pod or semi-pod system, but would allow for some flexibility and different competition each year.



On other approaches.  I am not really a fan of the 3 division approach unless they have already decided on a method for introducing semi-finals (doubt and hope that doesn't happen).  While I think I think 3 divisions has merit, since we are trying to get 2 teams for a CCG, I don't love the approach.

Side Note:  There is some rumors of 10 conference games coming.  I think that will help however this is done.

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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2023, 08:41:26 AM »
What I would like to see is a flexible schedule for 8 conference games.  Each team plays 4 home and 4 away games.  Game 9 would be determined by conference standing at year end. Top 4 teams play for Big championship.   Teams 5 thru 11 have home field and play 12 thru 18.  

To determine match ups between non play off teams, rivalry would be matched first if they haven't played each other already.  Then try to get as many teams as you can to match up that haven't played each other during the year. 
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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2023, 08:58:50 AM »
What I would like to see is a flexible schedule for 8 conference games.  Each team plays 4 home and 4 away games.  Game 9 would be determined by conference standing at year end. Top 4 teams play for Big championship.  Teams 5 thru 11 have home field and play 12 thru 18. 

To determine match ups between non play off teams, rivalry would be matched first if they haven't played each other already.  Then try to get as many teams as you can to match up that haven't played each other during the year.
This is an interesting concept, I like it.

I'd add that I'd basically include your determinants for the 5-11 vs 12-18 matchups to the 1-2 vs 3-4 matchups also. Ie:
  • First determine the teams, 1-2-3-4.
  • Next 1&2 host, 3&4 travel. 
  • Select matchups to minimize rematches so if 1 has played 3&4 and 2 has played 3 but not 4 then matchups are 1vs3 and 2vs4. 
  • Default is 1vs4, 2vs3.


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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2023, 09:20:59 AM »
so easy to have two 9-team divisions
one crossover game - fixed or not
winners of each division meet for the champ game

simple 
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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2023, 11:50:12 AM »
It is simple.  It would basically be 2 traditional conferences.  I get the appeal (I think ideal conference size is 8-11 members and even in the 11 team Big Ten we played everyone at least 3/4 the time), but since it would likely mean almost never playing Wisconsin, Iowa, etc, I don't want them to go for it.  It is not worth giving up those teams to me to get that destination.  I'd rather have everyone as often as possible.

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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2023, 03:59:11 PM »
Running this exercise right now is fruitless. 

The BIG will be at 24 schools in short order.
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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2023, 04:18:35 PM »
Running this exercise right now is fruitless.

The BIG will be at 24 schools in short order.
Ugh.

At that point I'm really confused. To even play all the teams in your half/division would take 11 games.

Four pods of six?
  • 5 games against the other 5 members of your pod
  • 3 games, one each against one team in each of the other three pods.
  • 9th game is determined by standings. 
  • The four pod champions play each other.
  • The other 20 teams play each other.
  • CG is between the winners of the two games between pod champions. 


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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2023, 04:32:43 PM »
Two 12-team divisions (conferences). Everyone plays 11 games plus two OOC.

First division - Original Big Ten + PSU and UNL.

Second division - Everyone added post UNL.

Winners play in the CCG.
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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2023, 04:37:22 PM »
Ugh.

At that point I'm really confused. To even play all the teams in your half/division would take 11 games.

Four pods of six?
  • 5 games against the other 5 members of your pod
  • 3 games, one each against one team in each of the other three pods.
  • 9th game is determined by standings.
  • The four pod champions play each other.
  • The other 20 teams play each other.
  • CG is between the winners of the two games between pod champions.
The four pods:
West Coast:
  • USC
  • UCLA
  • Washington
  • Oregon
  • Stanford
  • ?
West-Midwest:
  • Nebraska
  • Minnesota
  • Wisconsin
  • Iowa
  • Illinois
  • Northwestern
East-Midwest:
  • Indiana
  • Purdue
  • Michigan
  • Michigan State
  • Ohio State
  • ?
East Coast:
  • Rutgers
  • Penn State
  • Maryland
  • North Carolina
  • Virginia
  • ?
So we need another West Coast school, another in the Indiana/Michigan/Ohio area, and another East Coast School.

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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2023, 05:49:34 PM »
Side Note:  There is some rumors of 10 conference games coming.  I think that will help however this is done.
10 conference games does make scheduling for 18 teams a lot easier. You could have 3 primary rivals you play every year and 14 secondary rivals you play once every 2 years.

3 + 7/7.  That's pretty simple.

I know schools love their 7 home games so that would destroy any ooc P5 scheduling.  Schools like USC and Iowa would have to make some tough choices.  Either go to 6 home games once every 2 years or cancel their OOC home and home series, USC with Notre Dame, and Iowa with Iowa St. 

I personally think it's worth it to give up 1 home game every 2 years to get 10 conference games and keep the home and home OOC series with your main rival,  but not everybody agrees with me.


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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2023, 07:25:09 PM »
The SEC's scheduling after adding A&M and Missouri is embarrassing.
Lazy.  Stupid.  Idiotic.
Taking 12 years to play everyone home and away.
FFS, don't do that.
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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2023, 09:29:56 PM »
no shit

only have as many teams in a division as can play each other round robin

18 teams - (2) 9 team divisions = 8 conference games

20 teams - 9 games

22 teams - 10 games

24 teams - 11 games
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Re: Scheduling 18 teams
« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2023, 10:21:16 AM »
Running this exercise right now is fruitless.

The BIG will be at 24 schools in short order.
You might be right about the 24 teams but it won't be before the 2024 schedule comes out.
Just think that 4 team play off for conference game 9 would select the best 2 teams for the championship game. Picking the top 2 division winners may not be the 2 best teams.
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