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FearlessF

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Re: Rivalry Week
« Reply #140 on: November 30, 2024, 11:23:30 AM »
some teams "seem" to get more calls than the average

it's curious/interesting that those teams are often, blue blood helmet teams that "might" want to be protected by the league for the good of the game or for $$$

check the KC Chiefs this NFL season for an example
or the long history of Ohio St. & Michigan in the Big
Or Bama & recently Georgia in the SEC
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Re: Rivalry Week
« Reply #141 on: November 30, 2024, 11:26:56 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 30, 2024, 11:23:30 AM
some teams "seem" to get more calls than the average

Oh?
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Re: Rivalry Week
« Reply #142 on: November 30, 2024, 11:31:11 AM »
check the KC Chiefs this NFL season for an example
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Re: Rivalry Week
« Reply #143 on: November 30, 2024, 11:32:17 AM »
Unless they're doing illegal gambling stuff on their own, refs don't give a shit who wins a game.  They want to do a good job (as best they can) and not have anything outrageous happen.  

The only crew-related exception I can think of would be like a rogue racist crew circa 1977 or something like that.  
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Re: Rivalry Week
« Reply #144 on: November 30, 2024, 11:33:32 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 30, 2024, 11:31:11 AM
check the KC Chiefs this NFL season for an example
I'm not, but if it was the Jags getting similar calls, would anyone have noticed?

Higher stakes as a team with a good record.  More eyeballs on the Chiefs.  More passion about their outcomes, both for and against.  Seems like an easy situation to see things a little sideways, no?
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« Reply #145 on: November 30, 2024, 11:37:14 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 30, 2024, 11:32:17 AM
Unless they're doing illegal gambling stuff on their own, refs don't give a shit who wins a game.  They want to do a good job (as best they can) and not have anything outrageous happen. 
I used to believe this and I'd love to go back to believing this, but I can't.
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« Reply #146 on: November 30, 2024, 11:42:12 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 30, 2024, 11:33:32 AM
Higher stakes as a team with a good record.  More eyeballs on the Chiefs.  More passion about their outcomes, both for and against.  Seems like an easy situation to see things a little sideways, no?
When it happens 9 out of 12 games w/ all 9 being one score games
and even Chief's fans admit to their "luck".


It's an easy situation to see things a little sideways, no?
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« Reply #147 on: November 30, 2024, 11:46:07 AM »
Absolutely.  
But also, wasn't this seen as a skill in the past?  Aren't the Chefs just being gritty?  Know how to win the close ones?  2002 OSU and all that?

My statistical mind would just cite the small sample size within a season and have confidence that it will go the other way next year.  

When you want to know the reason for something, you don't just pick the reason that seems best or you want to be true.  You say "I don't know" until convincing evidence appears.  No list of scores is that evidence.  You have 32 teams and 1 or 2 are going to have exceptional 1-score records, aren't they?  Just as I'm sure there are 1 or 2 with dreadful 1-score records.

A bell curve, if we used data from many seasons.  Can a team with the spotlight on it not be one of the fortunate ones?  
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« Reply #148 on: November 30, 2024, 11:47:17 AM »
I'd also just ask, because I have no inkling, of which teams on their schedule so far are thought of as good as the Chefs?  Which have equal talent/expectations? 
From my VERY limited NFL knowledge, that's a pretty shit schedule, no?  If so, I'd find the lack of blowout wins more remarkable than the close wins. 

The whole situation is odd, though.
A team in KC getting breaks from the refs, as told to by NFL brass?  Mahomes does State Farm commercials and is a big darling?  The TE is dating a pop star.  The TE's brother gets some fame as well. 
Not exactly the perfect storm of a diabolical villainy, at least not an effective one.  Wouldn't the NFL want the Giants to be amazing?  Or the Cowboys?  Like any of 20 other franchises ahead of the Chefs. 

Conspiracy thinking tends to omit the obvious sometimes.

HC Andy Reid (is he still their HC?) couldn't get over the hump with the Eagles, but finds success in KC.  Do the refs LOVE Andy Reid?  Is the NFL in cahoots to uplift Mahomes, or did he just succeed and thrive with the other 21 guys, winning multiple SBs?

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Re: Rivalry Week
« Reply #149 on: November 30, 2024, 11:48:07 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 30, 2024, 11:37:14 AM
I used to believe this and I'd love to go back to believing this, but I can't.
If I thought the "refs" were often "in the bag", I'd cease watching sports entirely and lose interest, as it would be akin to the East German judges judging pro 'rastlin'.
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« Reply #150 on: November 30, 2024, 11:49:14 AM »
unfortunately, I don't have access to a database that gathers stats for missed or blown calls or bad calls or questionable calls

someone probably has one
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Re: Rivalry Week
« Reply #151 on: November 30, 2024, 11:52:14 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 30, 2024, 11:49:14 AM
unfortunately, I don't have access to a database that gathers stats for missed or blown calls or bad calls or questionable calls

someone probably has one
That list would be infinitely long.  Are we confident its creator would be objective for both sides for every game?
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Re: Rivalry Week
« Reply #152 on: November 30, 2024, 12:00:13 PM »
With refs, I go back to the W Bush thing:  when you can't tell if someone's unethical or incompetent, based on their output, they tend to be incompetent.  

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« Reply #153 on: November 30, 2024, 12:04:12 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 30, 2024, 11:48:07 AM
If I thought the "refs" were often "in the bag", I'd cease watching sports entirely and lose interest, as it would be akin to the East German judges judging pro 'rastlin'.


the team with 2 penalties finished the season at almost 8 per game at 106th in the nation
even after this sparkling performance
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