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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2018, 02:07:01 PM »
It's funny, the first election I remember was '92, I was 8.  I remember asking my parents who they were voting for, they wouldn't tell me.  Finally they sat me down, you would have thought something died.  They wanted to tell me who they voted for, and why, because they thought it was important, but that I absolutely couldn't speak about it to anyone, it was private.

Contrast that to today when I know, loudly, who everybody voted for.  Granted the nationalization of platforms also means most people vote straight ticket, even if they pretend they don't, since all the candidates look the same on the issues.

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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2018, 02:32:21 PM »
I'm not sure everyone loudly decrees who they're voting for. Or at least, not to their kids.

My kids are 9 and 11 now, so the 2016 presidential election was the first one where our kids were really aware of the election and wanted to talk about it. It was also, obviously, a highly controversial bill of candidates, so it garnered even more attention, even locally.  But although we discussed the candidates and the issues in the 2016 election, we didn't tell our kids who we voted for.  I told them what issues were important to me and why, and how the parties and candidates lined up on them, but didn't tell them who I voted for. I want them to be independent and make up their own minds, and I want it to start right now.


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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2018, 02:37:13 PM »
It's funny, the first election I remember was '92, I was 8.  I remember asking my parents who they were voting for, they wouldn't tell me.  Finally they sat me down, you would have thought something died.  They wanted to tell me who they voted for, and why, because they thought it was important, but that I absolutely couldn't speak about it to anyone, it was private.

Contrast that to today when I know, loudly, who everybody voted for.  Granted the nationalization of platforms also means most people vote straight ticket, even if they pretend they don't, since all the candidates look the same on the issues.
I wouldn't tell you who I voted for in 2016 or a month ago, but 30 years ago? Doesn't matter at all, anymore, because the party "stances" are so damn different than they were then. Everything is different now.
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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2018, 02:51:38 PM »
I'm not sure everyone loudly decrees who they're voting for. Or at least, not to their kids.

My kids are 9 and 11 now, so the 2016 presidential election was the first one where our kids were really aware of the election and wanted to talk about it. It was also, obviously, a highly controversial bill of candidates, so it garnered even more attention, even locally.  But although we discussed the candidates and the issues in the 2016 election, we didn't tell our kids who we voted for.  I told them what issues were important to me and why, and how the parties and candidates lined up on them, but didn't tell them who I voted for. I want them to be independent and make up their own minds, and I want it to start right now.


we did something similar with my oldest, who's now 10 (got a 7, 4 and 0 yo as well, they don't care yet). we discussed with her the major issues as we saw it, why we leaned one way or the other, and who we liked over the others.
but we went ahead and told her who we were going to vote for and why. we also told her who was likely to win and why.
in this midterm election, me and my wife voted for different people on a few things, and we told our kids why we did and that they would have to make up their minds like both of us did. and it's ok to have different opinions on things.
i don't understand keeping it a secret, though i loathe people who boast about it non-stop. but it frustrates me when people i respect won't discuss it with me because it's private. i fully respect their privacy, but i wish we could discuss views and why we might differ. i'm willing to change my mind if i can hear a convincing argument.
or rather, i have a damn good argument and you need to hear about it. :)

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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2018, 02:51:57 PM »
Proud to say I voted for him two times. Yeah, I'm from Chicago, but the two times were not in the same election cycle.



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Yeah, but you're from Chicago, so "you" probably also voted several times for both Dukakis and Clinton, just without your knowledge :57:

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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2018, 02:57:57 PM »
I'm not sure everyone loudly decrees who they're voting for. Or at least, not to their kids.

My kids are 9 and 11 now, so the 2016 presidential election was the first one where our kids were really aware of the election and wanted to talk about it. It was also, obviously, a highly controversial bill of candidates, so it garnered even more attention, even locally.  But although we discussed the candidates and the issues in the 2016 election, we didn't tell our kids who we voted for.  I told them what issues were important to me and why, and how the parties and candidates lined up on them, but didn't tell them who I voted for. I want them to be independent and make up their own minds, and I want it to start right now.


there were all kids of stories, tweets or FB posts about kids crying when Trump was elected.   I even read a story about a school who was going to help students adjust to the news.  
It appears to me there is an increase in parents sharing their concerns with young kids and creating unnecessary stress, crying, etc...  
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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2018, 02:58:19 PM »
Heh. Me and my dead grandpas. anyway.. a question.



Is it a state or national thing where you have to register as a "democrat" or "republican" to vote in the primaries? That is what we have to do here, and I absolutely hate it. Is it like this everywhere?



And yes, RIP Mr. President. We don't mean to mess up your thread.
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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2018, 03:02:35 PM »
there were all kids of stories, tweets or FB posts about kids crying when Trump was elected.   I even read a story about a school who was going to help students adjust to the news.  
I see much more evidence that parents are sharing their concerns with young kids and creating unnecessary stress, crying, etc...  
I'd point you to my nieces' book face pages to offer some exhibits. They were distraught and all that stuff, and then anger set in with the "not my president" stuff. Then they got to sharing and all that stuff.

One of my sons (both pretty much center-right) posted on their pages last month. It was a red sign, with white letters that read "not my house". I just had to laugh. I'm not getting involved in that stuff.

Kids these days are gonna cause a civil war. I'm just glad we're not going out there (LA) for Christmas this year...
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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2018, 03:07:34 PM »
Heh. Me and my dead grandpas. anyway.. a question.



Is it a state or national thing where you have to register as a "democrat" or "republican" to vote in the primaries? That is what we have to do here, and I absolutely hate it. Is it like this everywhere?



And yes, RIP Mr. President. We don't mean to mess up your thread.
state by state. i'm not a fan of it either but i understand why they do it. even still, i'm not sure it serves the intended purpose.
from wiki:
  • Closed primary. People may vote in a party's primary only if they are registered members of that party prior to election day. Independents cannot participate. Note that because some political parties name themselves independent, the terms "non-partisan" or "unaffiliated" often replace "independent" when referring to those who are not affiliated with a political party. Eleven states – Delaware, Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, District of Columbia, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania, and Wyoming – have closed primaries.[4][5]
  • Semi-closed. As in closed primaries, registered party members can vote only in their own party's primary. Semi-closed systems, however, allow unaffiliated voters to participate as well. Depending on the state, independents either make their choice of party primary privately, inside the voting booth, or publicly, by registering with any party on Election Day. Fourteen states – Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio[6], Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, and West Virginia – have semi-closed primaries that allow voters to register or change party preference on election day.[5][7]
  • Open primary. A registered voter may vote in any party primary regardless of his or her own party affiliation. Eleven states - Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Vermont, and Wisconsin - have open primaries.[4] When voters do not register with a party before the primary, it is called a pick-a-party primary because the voter can select which party's primary he or she wishes to vote in on election day. Because of the open nature of this system, a practice known as raiding may occur. Raiding consists of voters of one party crossing over and voting in the primary of another party, effectively allowing a party to help choose its opposition's candidate. The theory is that opposing party members vote for the weakest candidate of the opposite party in order to give their own party the advantage in the general election. An example of this can be seen in the 1998 Vermont senatorial primary with the nomination of Fred Tuttle as the Republican candidate in the general election[citation needed].
  • Semi-open. A registered voter need not publicly declare which political party's primary that they will vote in before entering the voting booth. When voters identify themselves to the election officials, they must request a party's specific ballot. Only one ballot is cast by each voter. In many states with semi-open primaries, election officials or poll workers from their respective parties record each voter's choice of party and provide access to this information. The primary difference between a semi-open and open primary system is the use of a party-specific ballot. In a semi-open primary, a public declaration in front of the election judges is made and a party-specific ballot given to the voter to cast. Certain states that use the open-primary format may print a single ballot and the voter must choose on the ballot itself which political party's candidates they will select for a contested office.
  • Blanket primary. A primary in which the ballot is not restricted to candidates from one party.
  • Nonpartisan blanket primary. A primary in which the ballot is not restricted to candidates from one party, where the top two candidates advance to the general election regardless of party affiliation. Louisiana has famously operated under this system, which has been nicknamed the "jungle primary." California has used a nonpartisan blanket primary since 2012 after passing Proposition 14 in 2010, and the state of Washington has used a nonpartisan blanket primary since 2008.

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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2018, 03:19:46 PM »
In some of those states people register as the opposite party so that they can interfere with the competition instead of helping their own "team"
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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2018, 03:56:47 PM »
there were all kids of stories, tweets or FB posts about kids crying when Trump was elected.   I even read a story about a school who was going to help students adjust to the news.  
It appears to me there is an increase in parents sharing their concerns with young kids and creating unnecessary stress, crying, etc...  
kids are simply too young and ignorant to realize they are republicans
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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2018, 04:03:11 PM »
How do we know it was the parents, and not the teachers?
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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2018, 04:15:23 PM »
How do we know it was the parents, and not the teachers?
Good and valid question, and this is probably where we need to hit a stopping point, I'm afraid.
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Re: RIP President Bush
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2018, 04:18:50 PM »
  • Nonpartisan blanket primary. A primary in which the ballot is not restricted to candidates from one party, where the top two candidates advance to the general election regardless of party affiliation. Louisiana has famously operated under this system, which has been nicknamed the "jungle primary." California has used a nonpartisan blanket primary since 2012 after passing Proposition 14 in 2010, and the state of Washington has used a nonpartisan blanket primary since 2008.

Yeah. Annoying. Apparently they got too upset that Republicans were getting on the ballot and not giving two Democrats to choose from, so they changed the rules.
This year for Governor we actually got a Democrat and a Republican on the ballot, but for Senate it was Democrat vs Democrat. Lieutenant Governor was also Democrat vs Democrat.

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