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Kris60 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2019, 12:01:09 AM »

I’m not sure being a record holder when you leave is a reason to be included. Records are fluid. If you won the Heisman you won the Heisman. If you were an All American you were All American. That never changes.

As recently as 1995 WVU had a kid named Robert Walker who left as the school’s second all time leading rusher and was just 28 yards short of being the all time leader. He’s now 7th on the list and I personally don’t consider him one of the top 10 backs in school history.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2019, 01:25:37 AM »

Okay, but by that argument, there's no reason to honor Jerry Rice, because someone, someday, will break his receiving records.
And what do you do about bad Heisman winners? Hornung over Jim Brown, Torretta over whoever, etc.

Yes, your ring of honor grows over time...so what? So do the number of Heisman winners, so does the number of HOFers.

What if you scheduled it, like you add 2 players every 10 years? And if 2 don't stand above all the rest the previous 10 years, you go back further to find worthy players from the distant past.

Or you have a set number in your ring of honor, and when someone great comes along, say Woodson for UM, you boot out the oldest guy, but he gets his own nook in the stadium, with a bust and some memorabilia, like an inset locker-type thing.
So Woodson replaces Oosterbaan - and that day is an opportunity to honor BOTH - and Woodson's name is prominently-placed and Oosterbaan gets his corner of the mezzanine.

Win-win, no?

Hawkinole · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2019, 02:40:52 AM »

- - Nile Kinnick, 1939 Heisman Trophy Winner
  - Aubrey Devine, 1921 - QB helped Iowa defeat Notre Dame in 1921 and break ND's 20 game win streak. Led Iowa to undefeated season. Could have been a Heisman award winner, but the award didn't exist until 1935.
  - Howard Jones, Coach (Two-Straight undefeated teams, 1921-22) Mythical national championship.
  - Randy Duncan, QB 1959 Rose Bowl
  - Chuck Long, QB 1981, and 1986 Rose Bowls
  - Forest Evashevski, coach 1950s - 1960, two Rose Bowls, three Big Ten championships; Mythical national championship.
  - John Niland, OG Iowa, and Cowboys 6-time pro-bowler
  - Alex Karas, 1957 Outland Award; 2nd in Heisman … NFL All Star, actor, pro-wrestler (BS job), actor.
  - Brad Banks, 2nd in Heisman award, 2002
  - Andre Tippet, Linebacker

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2019, 04:38:42 AM »

No Haden Fry?

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #18 on:** June 21, 2019, 07:00:46 AM »

After re-reading your original post, I realize I neglected to answer your original question, who should be in the Ring of Honor that is not already there.

In the case of tOSU, I believe that there are many names that one could conclude should be honored, but it would be very hard to come up with a criteria that would add to the ring without diminishing the significance of the players accomplishments.

Currently at tOSU is appears that being a Heisman winner qualifies you to be on the ROH. My belief is that Chic Harley is included being as the Heisman was not available to him during his days and as I stated previously, he is often mentioned as the reason that the Horseshoe was built in that he was instrumental in putting tOSU on the National mp.

As for players that are not there that I feel should be, I really can't think of any without diminishing the significance of those that are enshrined. But if we did, I would have to include Jack Tatum, Orlando Pace (whom I still say was the best left tackle ever to play the game at the College or Professional level), Chris Spielman, Randy Gradishar, John Hicks (while an outstanding football player, it is also generally believed that he ripped the M Club banner down 1973 - Kudos), AJ Hawk, Antoine Winfield (the absolute best corner I have ever seen play the game), Pete Johnson, Andy Katzenmoyer, Jim Lachey, Jim Stillwagon, Paul Warfield to name a few.

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #19 on:** June 21, 2019, 07:12:48 AM »

If we were to expand to list to all sports, there are a few names that immediately stand out.

Jack Nicklaus - Golf (generally considered the best to ever play the game)
Jessie Owens - Track and Field (Put Adolf Hitler to shame in the 1936 Olympics with 4 Gold Medals and is honored at TSUN's Ferry Field with a plaque to commemorate 4 world records in 45 mins at the Big Ten Track and Field Championships in 1935)
John Havlicek - Basketball
Jerry Lucas - Basketball
Logan Stieber - Wrestling (1 of only 4 wrestlers in NCAA history to win 4 National Championships)
Kyle Snyder - Wrestling (3 time NCAA National Champion, youngest Olympic Gold Medalist and Youngest ever World Champion - all done in the same season, one of the greatest accomplishments ever in the sport)

Benthere2 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 21, 2019, 07:24:13 AM »

Minnesota:
For retired numbers

[th]No.[/th]
[th]Player[/th]
[th]Position[/th]
[th]Career[/th]
[th]Date of Retirement[/th]

10
Paul Giel
HB
1951–53
September 24, 1991

15
Sandy Stephens
QB
1959–61
November 18, 2000

54
Bruce Smith
RB
1940–41
June 27, 1977

72
Bronko Nagurski
FB/T
1927–29
October 27, 1979

78
Bobby Bell
LB/DE
1960–62
September 18, 2010

Others

Greg Eslinger- Outland
Peter Mortell- creating the Holder of the year award
Bernie Bierman- Coach in Hall of Fame
Tony Dungy
CArl Eller
Bud Grant
Leo Nomellini
Charlie Sanders
KArl Mecklenburg
MArion Barber Jr
Marion Barber III
Verne Gagne
Chip Lohmiller
Darrell Thompson
Eric Decker
Rick Upchurch

Cincydawg · « **Reply #21 on:** June 21, 2019, 09:41:00 AM »

UGA has a Circle of Honor that is notable for one guy who is missing ...

https://georgiadogs.com/sports/2017/6/17/ot-geo-circle-of-honor-html.aspx

Football players inducted eh, too hard to edit this thing, sorry:

Bob McWhorter, Inducted 1996 1913 Football All-American College Football Hall of Fame
	Frank Sinkwich, Inducted 1996 1942 Heisman Trophy Winner College Football Hall of Fame

	Charley Trippi, Inducted 1996 1946 Football All-America College Football Hall of Fame
	Terri Moody Luckhurst, Inducted 1997 1981 National W. Golf Champion UGA's first female scholarship athlete
	Forrest "Spec" Towns , Inducted 1997 1936 Olympic 110-High Hurdles Gold Medalist; 1936 NCAA High Hurdles Champ
	Reid Patterson, Inducted 1997 1953 NCAA 100-Meter Freestyle Champion Set World Record, 50-meter free
	Katrina McClain, Inducted 1998 Three-time W. Basketball Olympian 1987 National Player of the Year
	Allen Miller, Inducted 1998 Four-time tennis All-American 1983 NCAA Doubles Champion
	Vernon "Catfish" Smith, Inducted 1998 1931 football All-American College Football Hall of Fame
	Fran Tarkenton, Inducted 1998 1960 All-American College Football Hall of Fame
	Lisa Coole, Inducted 1999 1996 NCAA, 100-Butterfly Champion 1997 NCAA Woman of the Year
	William C. "Bill" Hartman, Inducted 1999 1937 Football All-American College Football Hall of Fame
	Dr. Tom Lyons, Inducted 1999 FB All-American, 1969, '70 1995 NCAA Silver Ann. Award
	Alec Kessler, Inducted 2000 1990 SEC Player of the Year Two-time Academic All-American
	Bill Stanfill, Inducted 2000 1968 Outland Trophy winner
	Lucy Wener, Inducted 2000 Three-time NCAA uneven bars champion
	Spurgeon "Spud" Chandler, Inducted 2000 New York Yankees World Series hero
	Terry Hoage, Inducted 2001 Two-time consensus All-America Academic All-America NCAA Top Six Recipient
	John Rauch, Inducted 2001 All-America QB, 1948 Head Coach, Oakland Raiders, Super Bowl II
	Liz Murphey, Inducted 2001 Women's Golf Coaches Hall of Fame, Women's Athletic Dir.
	Al Parker, Inducted 2001 Four-year All-American, 1989, '90 Volvo, All-America Tennis, Collegiate Champion
	George Patton, Inducted 2002 Two-time football All-American DT 1966 SEC Lineman of the Year
	Janet Harris, Inducted 2002 Four-time basketball All-American All-time UGA scorer, rebounder
	Zippy Morocco, Inducted 2002 Football, Basketball Star First UGA Basketball All-American
	John Carson, Inducted 2003 All-American End, 1953 Four-sport letterman
	Mike Castronis, Inducted 2003 All-American tackle, 1945 UGA Freshman, JV Coach
	Cindy Schreyer, Inducted 2003 1984 NCAA Women's Golf Champion; 1984 Honda Broderick National Player of the Year
	Scott Woerner, Inducted 2003 1980 All-American DB 1980 Nation's leading punt returner
	Vince Dooley, Inducted 2004 Hall of Fame Football Coach (1964-88) Director of Athletics (1979-2004) Six SEC Titles; 1980 National Champions
	Herb St. John, Inducted 2004 1946 All-SEC
	Sheila Taormina, Inducted 2004 4 Time All-America Swimmer 1996 Olympic Gold Medalist 1996, 2000 Olympic Games
	Angela Lettiere, Inducted 2005 1994 NCAA singles championship, three consecutive ITA Grand Slam Finals; 1st women's Grand Slam national champion doubles team 1994 National Player of the Year and SEC Player of the Year; SEC Academic Honor Roll
	Jim Wilson, Inducted 2005 1964 All-America; 2001 Georgia Sports Hall of Fame; 1950-75 All-Time Team.
	Corrinne Wright, Inducted 2005 1985 and 1986 U.S. National Team 1989 NCAA All-Around national champion and co-champion of the floor exercise event that same year; eight-time All-American 1989, 1990 All SEC
	George Bezecny, Inducted 2006 Four year men's tennis lettermen (1982-85) All-America honors; All-SEC
	Heather Stepp, Inducted 2006 1992 NCAA vault title; 1993 NCAA vault and floor exercise titles; 1992 Honda Inspiration Award; 1993 SEC Gymnast of the Year
	Dick Copas, Inducted 2006 Hall of Fame men's golf coach 17 NCAA Championship appearances, seven SEC titles
	Zeke Bratkowski, Inducted 2006 Record-setting quarterback 14-year career in the NFL
	Priscilla Pacheco, Inducted 2006 Volleyball All-American
	Royce Smith, Inducted 2007 Football All-American
	Hope Spivey, Inducted 2007 Gymnastics All-American, National Champion
	Ben Zambiasi, Inducted 2007 Football All-American
	Kim Arnold, Inducted 2009
	Bernadette Mattox, Inducted 2009
	Brent Noon, Inducted 2009
	Matt Stinchcomb, Inducted 2009
	Eric Zeier, Inducted 2010 QB, All-time SEC career passing record
	Debbie Ferguson, Inducted 2010 Four-time track Olympian
	Billy Payne, Inducted 2011 All-SEC and All-America defensive end
	Courtney Shealy, Inducted 2011 Five-time NCAA and 19-time SEC champion, 2000 NCAA Female Swimmer of the Year, finished with the maximum 28 All-America honors 2000 Olympics two time gold medalist
	Kristy Kowal, Inducted 2011 Eight-time NCAA champion and a 16-time SEC champion, 2000 NCAA Woman of the Year, Top VIII Award 2000 Olympics silver medalist
	Karin Lichey, Inducted 2012 Four-year letterwinner, five All-America honors, won the 1998 national title on floor, earned 11 All-America citations, named the winner of the 1999 Honda Award as the nation's top gymnast
	Saudia Roundtree, Inducted 2012 Naismith National Player of the Year, Kodak All-America 1st team, SEC Player of the Year
	Jon Stinchcomb, Inducted 2012 First-Team All-American, Academic All-America Team, All-SEC
	Marissa Catlin, Inducted 2013 Seven-time All-American, a three-time pick for the Rolex All-Star Team and a two-time selection to the USA Tennis Collegiate Team
	Lori Strong, Inducted 2013 1994 NCAA bars champion and she claimed SEC titles on bars in 1993 and in the all-around in 1996
	Pat Dye, Inducted 2013 All-American, SEC Champion, SEC's Most Valuable Lineman following his Senior Season
	Steve Greer, Inducted 2014 All-America football player and assistant coach
	Stephanie Yarem Ransom, Inducted 2014 Soccer First-Team All-America honors
	Suzanne Yoculan, Inducted 2014 National Champion Gymnastics Coach
	Peter Anderson, Inducted 2015 Football All-America, All-SEC, Most Outstanding Offensive Player senior season
	Matias Boeker, Inducted 2015 Tennis NCAA team championship, singles and doubles titles, ITA National Player of the Year, SEC Player of the Year, All-America
	Leah Brown, Inducted 2015 Gymnastics All-America, 2-time National Champion, Academic All-SEC
	Maritza Correia, Inducted 2015 Swimming All-America, 11-time National Champion, SEC Champion, Olympic medalist
	Kelly Miller, Inducted 2016 Women's Basketball All-SEC, 2000 and 2001 SEC Player of the Year, All-America and Academic All-America honors
	Coco Miller, Inducted 2016 Women's Basketball All-SEC, All-America and Academic All-America honors
	John Little, Inducted 2016 Football First-Team All-America and All-SEC in 1985 and 1986, 2-time Academic All-SEC selection
	Stefanie Williams, Inducted 2016 Swimming 28-time All-American, 3-time National Champion & SEC Champion, SEC Academic Honor Roll (twice)
	Nicole Barber, Inducted 2017 3-time All-America, 4-time All-SEC, all-time leader in career stolen bases (257) and consecutive error-free games played (219) in the UGA, SEC and NCAA record books.
	Chris Colwill, Inducted 2017 Three NCAA individual diving titles, 12 All-America honors, 5-time SEC individual champion, SEC Diver of the Year in 2005, 2006 and 2008, 2-time Olympian
	Thomas Davis, Inducted 2017 All-America First Team, All-SEC First Team, All-SEC Second Team, 2014 Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year Award, NFL All-Pro
	Reese Hoffa, Inducted 2017 3-time First-Team All-American indoors and outdoors, 2001 SEC outdoor shot put champion, No. 1 world shot put ranking, 3-time USA Outdoor champion (2007-08, 2012), twice a world champion (2006 Indoor and 2007 Outdoor), three times an Olympic Games competitor (2004, 2008, 2012), bronze medal at the London Olympic games in 2012.
	Mary DeScenza, Inducted 2018 Swimming & Diving - 28 All-America honors, Honda Award recipient (2006), 4-time NCAA 200-yard butterfly title holder, 15 SEC Titles, four-year letterwinner
	Hyleas Fountain, Inducted 2018 Track & Field - NCAA Champion in 2003 outdoor heptathlon, 2004 indoor long jump, 2004 outdoor heptathlon, 2004 outdoor long jump
	George Poschner, Inducted 2018 Football - Three year letter winner, first-team All-America honors (1942), All-SEC first team (1942), Purple Heart, Bronze Star, and the Distinguished Service Cross for his actions in the Battle of the Bulge in WW2
	Hines Ward, Inducted 2018 Football - All-SEC first team (1997), set receptions in a bowl game with 12, drafted by the Steelers in the NFL Draft, earned MVP honors in Super Bowl 40 (2006), selected to four Pro Bowls

CWSooner · « **Reply #22 on:** June 21, 2019, 10:48:00 PM »

Seems to be a running back missing from the UGA list.

I don't think OU has a ring of honor or anything similar. At least I can't find one.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #23 on:** June 21, 2019, 11:56:59 PM »

Eh, I suppose it's a thing, I have no objections to it.

Humans like lists in general. They like groups. They want a "real" national championship. They argue over the Heisman and the AAs and whatever else, and none of it really matters.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #24 on:** June 22, 2019, 12:41:54 AM »

It's all just for fun.
A UGA ring of honor without Herschel is like a chip without chocolate...it just don't make no sense.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #25 on:** June 22, 2019, 07:06:02 AM »

Yeah, I think a Football RofH in my reckoning would be more selective and not depend on graduation as a criterion especially today. Very few of the elite level players stay four years in college, today. Sinkwich and Trippi would be in, with Tarkenton and Bratkowsi, then some of the more recent players, not as many as listed, but in general I have a disdain for "lists". I think "we" can get too caught up at times with who should be listed as what. But, in the off season it's all fair game.

I prefer just to note that so and so had a great career and not worry about whether they should make some arbitrary list somewhere. The criteria end up being too subjective for me. Now, of course one can talk about statistics and make comparisons between players and then even argue that some stat is not a real indicator of anything, which often is a reasonable argument. QB X threw for 11,000 yards in a career and QB Y threw for 18,000, but was in a pass happy offense that threw short passes with a lot of YAC etc.

I like when someone notes that a player you didn't expect had some amazing stat line somewhere.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #26 on:** June 22, 2019, 07:28:07 AM »

This is just a "who's on your school's Mt. Rushmore", but bigger.

I think Terrence Edwards leads UGA in all-time drops while wide open late in the WLOCP.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #27 on:** June 22, 2019, 07:44:46 AM »

One of my favorite lists back in the day was the "All Name List", especially in baseball. I recall the battery was Biff Pocoroba catching and Bob Apodaka pitching.

And anyone named "Vernon "Catfish" Smith" should be in the Circle of Honor thingee on that basis alone.

UGA seems to put a lot of folks on ESPN or SEC N as commentator type folks. I was channel surfing yesterday and left it on the Finebaum show for a few and had to chuckle. He struggles in the off season more than we do around here, but his callers on the whole seem to me to be less erudite in general.

I can't imagine listening to that show for very long, or routinely. I suppose on occasion something interesting gets said.

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