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OrangeAfroMan

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Ring of Honor
« on: June 19, 2019, 11:24:00 PM »
Who should be in your school's "Ring of Honor" or whatever you want to call it?
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I was reading the Florida beat writer's opinion that Florida's parameters to be inducted were too high.
Criteria to Merit Consideration
  • Heisman Trophy Winners (Spurrier, Wuerffel)
  • Former UF All-Americans Inducted into NFL Hall of Fame for Accomplishments as Players (Youngblood)
  • Former UF All-Americans Who Are NFL Career Category Leaders (E. Smith – rushing)
  • Collegiate Career Category Leaders
  • Coaches with UF National Championships (Spurrier)
  • Coaches with at least 3 UF SEC Championships (Spurrier)
  • Players with 2 or more consensus All-American honors (AP, Walter Camp, Sporting News, AFCA, FWAA, UPI) who have also been named National Offensive/Defensive Players of Year (AP, Walter Camp, Sporting News, ABC, AFCA, FWAA, UPI)
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The fact anything concerning the NFL is odd to me, as the writer agrees, too.  Yes, a Ring of Honor should be exclusive, but in the history if Florida football, given these parameters, there's only 5 that have been honored and only Urban Meyer is still eligible and hasn't been inducted. 
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School record-holders would be an easy one - leading passer, rusher, sack artist, etc....right?  So I was curious what you guys would do with your school.
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As Florida only has 5, I would say pick 15 instead, for an average.  A good number, still exclusive, but every honored would be worthwhile.

Who would be your 15 players & coaches in your school's Ring of Honor?

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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2019, 11:52:49 PM »
HC/QB - Steve Spurrier - Heisman, NC as coach, all-time winningest HC
HC - Urban Meyer - 2x NC
QB - Danny Wuerffel - Heisman, NC, 2x SEC POY
QB - Tim Tebow - Heisman, 2 NCs, all the awards
QB - Rex Grossman - consensus all-american, 2nd for Heisman
RB - Errict Rhett - all-time leading rusher
RB - Emmitt Smith - 2nd leading rusher, Heisman Finalist, 1st rd pick
WR - Carlos Alvarez - all-time leading receiver (yards), consensus all-american
LB - Wilbur Marshall - 2x consensus all-american, national defensive POY
LB - Brandon Spikes - 2x consensus all-american, NC
DE - Alex Brown - consensus all-american, all-time leader in sacks
OT - Lomas Brown - consensus all-american
CB - Fred Weary - consensus all-american, all-time leader in INTs
S  - Lawrence Wright - all-american, only Thorpe award winner at UF



That's 14.....yeah, this is impossible.  There's like 10+ more guys that belong on this list. 
« Last Edit: June 20, 2019, 12:33:46 AM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2019, 11:54:31 PM »
I think it's basically impossible to have both everyone with a resume that qualifies them AND have positional equality.  I could have just 16 skill position guys on here.  Or 16 defensive players.  I could put 5+ QBs, easily.  

Forget Wisconsin and their RBs.....16 total players & coaches?  There's no way.
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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2019, 07:41:44 AM »
I did a quick search about the qualifications to be in Ohio State's ring of honor, but could not find anything. However, looking at those enshrined on the ring, there are 7 players and 2 coaches.

The players are Chic Harley, Vic Janowicz, Hopalong Cassidy, Archie Griffin, Les Horvath, Eddie George and Bill Willis. 5 of those players are Heisman Trophy winners so one would guess that being a HT winner would get you on the ring. But Troy Smith is conspicuously absent.

Chic Harley was a great player is generally regarded as the player that brought tOSU football into national prominence. The Horseshoe was generally regarded as "the house that Chic Harley built", so it seems fitting he is on the ring.

Bill Willis was and All American in the early 1940's during the war. He is also one of the first black players to play in the NFL. I don't know this to be the case, but I would suspect that is why he is included in the Ring of Honor as his college resume, while accomplished, does not outshine many more players at tOSU.

Paul Brown won a National Title in his 2nd season at tOSU, but only coached for 3 years before joining the Navy in 1944. I would guess that he is in the Ring of Honor due to his accomplishments at all levels of football.

As for Woody Hayes, that goes without saying.

EDIT: Correction, Troy Smith is in the Ring of Honor. After I posted, I got to thinking about it and thinking that they had added him. He was added in 2014 during the home game against TSUN. 

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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2019, 09:00:10 AM »
couldn't find anything on "the Ring of Honor", but this is the list of retired jerseys at UNL



1949 No. 60 Tom Novak Four-Time All-Conference

1972 No. 20  Johnny Rodgers  1972 Heisman/Walter Camp

1972  No. 79  Rich Glover  1972 Outland/Lombardi

1982  No. 50  Dave Rimington  1981, 1982 Lombardi/1982 Outland

1983  No. 30  Mike Rozier  1983 Heisman/Maxwell/Walter Camp

1983  No. 71  Dean Steinkuhler  1983 Outland/Lombardi

1994  No. 75  Larry Jacobson  1971 Outland

1994  No. 75  Will Shields  1992 Outland

1994  No. 34  Trev Alberts  1993 Butkus

1995  No. 74  Zach Wiegert  1994 Outland

1996  No. 15  Tommie Frazier  1995 Johnny Unitas

1998  No. 67  Aaron Taylor  1997 Outland

1998  No. 98  Grant Wistrom  1997 Lombardi

2002  No. 54  Dominic Raiola  2000 Rimington

2002  No. 7  Eric Crouch  2001 Heisman/Walter Camp

2004  No. 64  Bob Brown  College and Pro Football Hall of Fame

2010  No. 93  Ndamukong Suh  Outland/Lombardi,Nagurski/Bednarik

2017  No. 33  Forrest Behm  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  Guy Chamberlin  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 38  Sam Francis  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 66  Wayne Meylan  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 12  Bobby Reynolds  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 25  George Sauer  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 1  Clarence Swanson  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 35  Ed Weir  College Football Hall of Fame
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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2019, 11:02:04 AM »
There are only 6 names on the facades at Camp Randall. The latest player is Ron Dayne, but the latest addition was Allen Shafer, who played in the 1940's.
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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2019, 11:04:49 AM »
Paul Brown won a National Title in his 2nd season at tOSU, but only coached for 3 years before joining the Navy in 1944. I would guess that he is in the Ring of Honor due to his accomplishments at all levels of football.
Paul Brown is always an interesting case when discussing accomplishments at Ohio State or in the Big Ten or in College Football generally.  

I believe that Paul Brown is the greatest football coach ever.  You can disagree, but regardless, he is unarguably in that discussion.  The problem, with regard to tOSU, the Big Ten, or CFB is that he didn't coach at this level for very long.  He was born in 1908 and became the HC at Severn School (a Maryland HS) at just 22 years old in 1930.  He won a Maryland State Championship in his first year then left after the 1931 season to become HC at Massillon Washington HS in 1932.  

If you don't know Ohio HS football, this will be hard to understand but Massillon Washington is a HUGE football school.  They are Canton McKinley's primary rival.  Chris Spielman once said that he had played in tOSU/M as well as Browns/Steelers and other NFL rivalries but that Massillon/McKinley was the most intense.  Football is HUGE there.  

Anyway, Brown coached Massillon Washington for nine years (1932-1940) and won FIVE state championships.  That was good enough to get him the HC job at Ohio State where he coached the Buckeye's first NC team in his second year, 1942.  

Brown's last year at Ohio State (1943) was a disaster mostly because Ohio State was part of the Army's training program which did NOT allow trainees to participate in sports while other schools (including Michigan and Purdue) were in the Navy's training program which did allow trainees to participate in sports.  Thus, Brown's 1943 team was made up almost completely of 17 year old freshman too young to enlist and they went 3-6 including getting pasted 30-7 and 45-7 by Purdue's and Michigan's older and more experienced Navy trainees respectively.  

After the 1943 season Brown joined the Navy and wound up coaching the Great Lakes Navy Training Station football team which competed against colleges for two years (1944-1945).  

Brown's replacement at Ohio State, (Carroll Widdoes) was seen as a placeholder because it was assumed at the time that Brown would return to Ohio State after the war.  Instead, after the war he coached 17 years for the Cleveland Browns and eight years for the Cincinnati Bengals at the professional level.  All told, Brown won:
 - 6 HS State Championships (1 MD, 5 OH) in 11 years coaching HS football
 - 1 NC in three years coaching CFB (five years if you count the two at Great Lakes)
 - 7 Championships in 25 years of coaching Professional Football.  

As I said above, I think he was the greatest football coach ever.  That said, it is hard to argue for him as the greatest coach at Ohio State because he only coached three years, with one league and one national title.  

I've come around to this phrasing:
I believe that Paul Brown was the greatest coach to ever coach at Ohio State or in the Big Ten but not the greatest coach at Ohio State or in the Big Ten due to lack of sufficient time at the school/in the league.  


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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2019, 12:06:46 PM »
For Wisconsin:
Ameche and Dayne (Heisman trophies)
Pat Richter, more for his time as AD than for his football success, which was also substantial.
Barry Alvarez
Dave Schreiner: great two-way player, consensus AA, KIA at Okinawa in '45.
For their college and NFL success: JJ Watt, Joe Thomas, Mike Webster, and Troy Vincent.

**Hirsch, like Russell Wilson, I struggle with because of his one year as a Badger.

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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2019, 01:19:28 PM »
couldn't find anything on "the Ring of Honor", but this is the list of retired jerseys at UNL



1949 No. 60 Tom Novak Four-Time All-Conference

1972 No. 20  Johnny Rodgers  1972 Heisman/Walter Camp

1972  No. 79  Rich Glover  1972 Outland/Lombardi

1982  No. 50  Dave Rimington  1981, 1982 Lombardi/1982 Outland

1983  No. 30  Mike Rozier  1983 Heisman/Maxwell/Walter Camp

1983  No. 71  Dean Steinkuhler  1983 Outland/Lombardi

1994  No. 75  Larry Jacobson  1971 Outland

1994  No. 75  Will Shields  1992 Outland

1994  No. 34  Trev Alberts  1993 Butkus

1995  No. 74  Zach Wiegert  1994 Outland

1996  No. 15  Tommie Frazier  1995 Johnny Unitas

1998  No. 67  Aaron Taylor  1997 Outland

1998  No. 98  Grant Wistrom  1997 Lombardi

2002  No. 54  Dominic Raiola  2000 Rimington

2002  No. 7  Eric Crouch  2001 Heisman/Walter Camp

2004  No. 64  Bob Brown  College and Pro Football Hall of Fame

2010  No. 93  Ndamukong Suh  Outland/Lombardi,Nagurski/Bednarik

2017  No. 33  Forrest Behm  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  Guy Chamberlin  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 38  Sam Francis  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 66  Wayne Meylan  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 12  Bobby Reynolds  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 25  George Sauer  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 1  Clarence Swanson  College Football Hall of Fame

2017  No. 35  Ed Weir  College Football Hall of Fame

That's ridiculous. 

How in the Hell would you even field a team? Fractions? 
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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2019, 06:43:42 PM »
That's ridiculous.

How in the Hell would you even field a team? Fractions?
I think it is only the jersey that is retired, not the number; although I think there ARE some numbers that are also retired.  I always get confused on the difference.  I would almost bet that the numbers that are retired are the ones listed in the north stadium under the big screen - names / numbers such as Novak, Remington, Steinkuhler, etc. As far as I have heard, there are only about three numbers that are permanently retired, while some are only temporarily retired.  Fearless, am I close?  
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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2019, 07:26:06 PM »
So Wisconsin doesn't honor Lee Evans (UW all-time leader in REC yds and TD) or Montee Ball (all-time NCAA leader in rush TD) or Melvin Gordon (2nd-best single-season by a RB in NCAA)?


All the confusion with retired numbers vs jerseys vs school hall of fame, etc......I'm just thinking about like how the Dallas Cowboys have names around the stadium.  Florida's are like this:
Image result for florida gators ring of honor
they're up high, along the top edge of the stadium, so they're hard to identify if you don't know what they are. 
I just don't like the NFL aspect, as both Emmitt and Youngblood could just be honored for their college exploits.  



Youngblood and Smith in the college HOF, which should be an automatic qualifier, but somehow isn't.  
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Re: Ring of Honor
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2019, 09:36:21 PM »
For WVU, if I were a one man committee the criteria would be at least one of these, but not all of these:

Winning the Heisman
Winning a major individual award (Rimington, Nagurski, Butkus, etc.)
Being elected to the College Football HOF
I’m on the fence about being a consensus AA.  WVU has 11 of those.  Schools like Ohio St and ND probably have 30 or 40.

But what’s funny is if WVU had all of those criteria in place Pat White, a guy who I think absolutely deserves to be in a Ring of Honor right now, wouldn’t qualify on any of those 4 parameters.

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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2019, 10:32:44 PM »
So Wisconsin doesn't honor Lee Evans (UW all-time leader in REC yds and TD) or Montee Ball (all-time NCAA leader in rush TD) or Melvin Gordon (2nd-best single-season by a RB in NCAA)?
No, they don't. Wisconsin is different.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2019, 10:48:04 PM »
Michigan doesn't really have anything like Ring of Honor except for the Athletic Department's Hall of Fame and the retired numbers (Wistert brothers (OTs), Desmond Howard (WR), Bennie Oosterbaan (WR), Gerald Ford* (C), Ron Kramer (WR), and Tom Harmon (RB)). *To be sure, Ford's number was largely retired for the fact that he was a president, though he was part of two national championship teams.

To paraphrase Harbaugh, it's hard to compare players (especially from different eras) because in the end someone ends up being diminished, considering there are so many All-Americans, College Football HOFers, and the like from Michigan.
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