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MrNubbz

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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #224 on: August 21, 2025, 09:12:37 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 21, 2025, 07:50:34 PM
This is why I can't fathom why they didn't vacate wins.

Literally it's the most obscure and pointless punishment anyway. Nobody *actually* cares that wins are vacated. Only those of us die-hards even recognize the difference. It really affects nothing at all...
Exactly - makes perfect sense - but N-O-O-O,that is the very core of their self esteem.You see most of M's all-time wins were racked up during the time of covered wagons and tuberculosis.And they prided themselves in the all time wins even though Fielding Yost actually had more stevedores and construction workers on the roster than Students.In 1904 for instance they played kalamazoo, Physicians & Surgeons College,American Medical.Since UM hadn't won a OUTRIGHT NC since 1948 and exactly 75 yrs later during the '23 FIX. They fattened and fancied themselves with the refrain of the All Time wins title.

But from the time of Paul Brown/Woody Hayes/Earle Bruce/Jim Tressel up thru Urban Meyer they carved a huge hole in that artificial prize that M hung their hat on.Only the mistake that was Tenessee John Cooper kept their slim lead and by 2020 - the year Harbaugh backed out against the Buckeyes who were within 6 wins and that was slipping away as Bama and tOSU were closing in.So M pulled out all the stops to match their cringe worthy Baseball and Basketball scandals(look them up) as ELA pointed out for a noteworthy triple crown of crookedness.
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« Reply #225 on: August 21, 2025, 11:42:22 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 21, 2025, 07:50:34 PM
This is why I can't fathom why they didn't vacate wins.

Literally it's the most obscure and pointless punishment anyway. Nobody *actually* cares that wins are vacated. Only those of us die-hards even recognize the difference. It really affects nothing at all...

...which is why I'm astounded they didn't do it, just for show.
this is a great point. 

I was never expecting the death penalty or post-season ban. I was expecting maybe a 5 or 10 scholarship reduction and vacated wins. Aka a slap on the wrist. And the dickless NCAA didn’t even do that. 

Just some fines, a 1 game suspension for Sherrone Moore, probation, and a reduction in official visits. So not even a slap on the wrist. More like a stern talking too.
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« Reply #226 on: Today at 12:19:20 AM »
Take wins away from UM???  That'd be the pearl-clutchingest act possible!
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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #227 on: Today at 08:48:12 AM »
Today, the only punishment with any teeth is post season bans.  Scholarship limits?  NIL.  Take away wins?  Meh.  Show cause for NFL coaches?  Ha.  Fines?  Have at it.  Limit home visits?  That's a smallish something at least, if it's enforced somehow.

What else?
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« Reply #228 on: Today at 09:12:14 AM »
take away a few roster spots - 100 down from 105 for example
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« Reply #229 on: Today at 09:42:01 AM »
Anything involving the affected season,wins,titles,then a penalty for allowing it - so BIG fines - of individuals that participated and roster spots.make it hurt. Michigan has deep pockets,so penalize Harbaugh,Stallions,Moore and those that did the dirty and well Weiss will obviouly get his
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« Reply #230 on: Today at 09:45:05 AM »
how ya gonna get to Jimmy?

ban him from coming back to the NCAA or Big Ten?

similar to Pete the cheat jumpin to Seattle NFL when busted at USC
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« Reply #231 on: Today at 10:00:21 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on Today at 09:45:05 AM
how ya gonna get to Jimmy?

ban him from coming back to the NCAA or Big Ten?

similar to Pete the cheat jumpin to Seattle NFL when busted at USC
yeah no chit. Jim ain't ever going back to college. Guy is one of the best NFL head coaches in the game.

Michigan was lucky to get him when they did- the cards fell on the table for them fortunately and the only reason on planet earth they were able to scoop him up and get him to stay for a decade is because he went to school there, grew up in Ann Arbor as a kid, and worshipped Bo Schembechler. Emotional. Attachment.

He won a natty in college and he basically considered it mission accomplished and was always going to go back to the NFL to try and win a Super Bowl. He's been clear as day about winning a Super Bowl and climbing the mountaintop in the pinnacle of the sport of football- the NFL- being his ultimate goal since oh-I-don't-know-for-fucking-ever.
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« Reply #232 on: Today at 10:03:39 AM »
If these guys make bank in The league like Booger,they're not coming back.Unless they are extremely bored or somehow pissed it away.It just so much more time consuming.NFL coaches get 6-8 weeks off a year, little more or less depending on circumstances.College no such luck as they go from playoffs to recruiting to spring games then summer/fall camps then back at it. A lot more baby sitting also as many kids are from broken homes and bad back grounds
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« Reply #233 on: Today at 10:05:25 AM »
I'd like to see a clause in coaching contracts to penalize them for causing damage to the university such as cheating like Pete and Jimmy

of course they'd never sign the contract

the NCAA or Conference would need to make that clause a policy on coaching contracts to make it happen.

that alone would eliminate cheating 
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« Reply #234 on: Today at 10:06:12 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on Today at 10:00:21 AM
yeah no chit. Jim ain't ever going back to college. Guy is one of the best NFL head coaches in the game.

Michigan was lucky to get him when they did- the cards fell on the table for them fortunately and the only reason on planet earth they were able to scoop him up and get him to stay for a decade is because he went to school there, grew up in Ann Arbor as a kid, and worshipped Bo Schembechler. Emotional. Attachment.

He won a natty in college and he basically considered it mission accomplished and was always going to go back to the NFL to try and win a Super Bowl. He's been clear as day about winning a Super Bowl and climbing the mountaintop in the pinnacle of the sport of football- the NFL- being his ultimate goal since oh-I-don't-know-for-fucking-ever.
I like how you're spinning that.  He was almost run out of town a few years ago. As I recall, he had to take a pay cut.  Then the cheating started, and suddenly Michigan is on top.  Now it's "he was always going back to the NFL", nothing to do with the heat from the fallout.  
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« Reply #235 on: Today at 10:07:55 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on Today at 10:06:12 AM
I like how you're spinning that.  He was almost run out of town a few years ago. As I recall, he had to take a pay cut.  Then the cheating started, and suddenly Michigan is on top.  Now it's "he was always going back to the NFL", nothing to do with the heat from the fallout. 
And I certainly recall you on here talking all the time about "Jeem", and how he was either retarded or autistic.  Certainly not singing his praises about being the best coach 3-4 years ago.  Certainly not after TCU stomped them in the previous years playoff.  
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« Reply #236 on: Today at 10:09:29 AM »
Jeem started cheating and evolved into Jim
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« Reply #237 on: Today at 10:10:02 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on Today at 10:03:39 AM
If these guys make bank in The league like Booger,they're not coming back.Unless they are extremely bored or somehow pissed it away.It just so much more time consuming.NFL coaches get 6-8 weeks off a year, little more or less depending on circumstances.College no such luck as they go from playoffs to recruiting to spring games then summer/fall camps then back at it. A lot more baby sitting also as many kids are from broken homes and bad back grounds
we're all die hards here for CFB- but the fact of the matter is the NFL is just a much better gig. 

it's the pinnacle of all sports leagues. it's bigger stage, better players, better coaches than anything CFB has on offer. 

coaches get more time off and no year round recruiting and kiss the ass of 16-18 year old kids trying to get them to come to your school. no NIL bullshit, no annoying AD's & school Presidents, no shitbag dickless wonder NCAA to deal with, no entitled bored jerkoff boosters with more money than brains you have to kiss ass in order to raise money for the program. if you're a top flight coach that has front office control in your contract there is only one annoying guy you have to deal with: the owner.

NFL is just a way better gig.
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