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This is a perfect example of a completely unreasonable take and approach. While you don't want to come to terms with it, this is a far clearer reflection of you than me. I'm not sure why your passion has become paint the picture of all Michigan fans as pieces of shit if they don't spend their waking hours saying everyone in Ann Arbor is a dirtbag, but many of us out there know that it's not the game nor the outcome of the game that's most important, it's the connection we make with people along that way that has the most value. Maybe I should cancel my trip to Ann Arbor next month with my wife and kids. There's no way they could possibly focus on the first college football game experience with so many scumbags sitting around them.

I'm trying not to call you personally a dirtbag but my problem is the hypocrisy.  

I agree with this 100%:

I can't put myself in your shoes, but I have to hope about myself that if my Boilermakers had a scandal of this magnitude, I'd at least have the humility and honesty to call it out as wrong, and accept that my school probably deserves to get hammered in punishment.

There were two times I was embarrassed to be an Ohio State fan:

• When Reynolds choked Sorgi and Tressel gave him a woefully inadequate suspension, and
• When Tressel got caught failing to acknowledge  and act appropriately on ONE email about player misconduct.  

I've seen your posts about Tatgate so don't pretend you haven't gone off.  

Michigan's cheating scandal makes me feel like a chump for even caring about Tatgate.  That was literally players selling their own stuff.  The only thing that made it a big deal was that the HC ignored ONE email.  Your school's current HC literally obstructed an ongoing NCAA investigation by deleting not one but dozens of messages.  

Remember that I've seen your posts about tatgate.  Don't pretend you are anything but a hypocrite.  That small-potato BS was egregious according to you but actual egregious institutionalized cheating is a-ok so long as the cheaters wear blue and not red.  

You absolutely root for a dirtbag program, that much is undeniable.  It isn't limited to this scandal, your program owns the worst scandals in football, basketball, and baseball.  Once is chance, twice coincidence, thrice . . .  Does that make you a dirtbag, maybe not but you certainly are a hypocrite.  

Again. I get it.  You don't give a shit.  You really don't.  Paragraphs and paragraphs of exposition to tell me that you don't give a shit.

It doesn't take me paragraphs to say-- I care a lot less about what Michigan did for a few years, than what OU did for over half a century.

But I do think that Michigan should have entirely cleaned house.  Keeping on anyone, from that staff, is not acceptable.

It isn't that I don't care it is that the NCAA always struggled to prove these cases so they weren't prosecutable.  

Gatorama was a Michigan and a Florida fan.  Given my kids went to OSU and Florida is, well, Florida, we still got along great.  As many here recall, he came to Arlington for my son (and me).

That sort of thing means a lot, on a personal level, I don't really care who you support (except Eastern Michigan anyway).  And I think "we" have said mostly enough about Michigan and the NCAA (which none of us much like).  We now could go back to discussing the Dawgs and whether they can run off another 15-0 ....

The internet used to be a decent place.

Well, that's not true either.  But it was better than it is now

TV made it better and ruined it at the same time.

Great, this will be productive.  I'll leave this thread to descend into even further piece of shitness without me and I will continue caring very little about this, elsewhere.

Adieu.

I’m taking your advice and bouncing. 

if you’ll notice every thread on here turns into a Michigan - Ohio State shitfest and it’s usually mainly the Ohio State dudes turning it so. 

Michigan fans don’t really care about Ohio State anymore- they kind of just feel sorry for them and laugh at them. 

I will say one thing more about this. A&M ( our boosters) got caught paying players for not working in about 1992. I don’t know the details except that they had “ jobs” that consisted of doing nothing and getting paid for it. We got caught and had to sit out bowl season in 1994 and were ineligible for the SWC title in 1994. If you look up the conference champion for 1994 there is a three way tie between Texas, Texas Tech, and one other program that I can’t remember.   Heck, it may have been a 5 way tie.  It’s because A&M was undefeated ( 1 tie) and everyone else had 2 losses or something. I don’t quite remember what the bowl situation was in 1994 but one loss teams usually get a pretty good game. Not saying we could beat those fearsome Huskers but we could have been jockeying for a top 5 finish or something. 

Fast forward about 15 years and compare what happened to OU for very similar transgressions.  I don’t recall them being ineligible for the conference championship or sitting out bowl games. 

Fast forward 15 more years, Michigan got virtually no punishment because the perpetrators are gone and they didn’t want to punish the program. 

USC got hella slammed 20 years ago for much less. 

Really all this does is embolden everyone and make you wonder what Michigan did and didn’t get caught on. Paying players?  Tampering?  More, higher level spying?  Once you start crossing lines why stop at the light stuff. 

Oh and the idea that Bob fucking Stoops has integrity is absolutely laughable.  He didn't cheat quite as bad as $witzer, that's about all that can be said for him.

100%. 

Bob Stoops lecturing anyone about integrity in college football is like OJ Simpson lecturing anyone about the sins of homicide. Oh the irony… it’s too rich.