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I wonder if UGA was worried about it and switched up their signs.  That game was 34-3 late in the 4th.  UM had 3 turnovers to none which certainly was a factor.

This is where we go from "everyone agrees" to "Ohio State fans editorializing".

I don't think Michigan's program is "utter trash". I think this is a giant black mark on their reputation. But I'm not going to fly off the handle about it.

The biggest issue is that this scandal is large enough that I think the AD should have burned it down, canned Sherrone Moore, and started from scratch. Don't let short term stability get in the way of your integrity.

I think this is a completely reasonable view.  I am surprised that Moore was allowed to stay on.  Everyone from that era of the program should have been discharged, and the university should have started over with a clean slate.

Oh and the idea that Bob fucking Stoops has integrity is absolutely laughable.  He didn't cheat quite as bad as $witzer, that's about all that can be said for him.

Of course your oilmen didn't have any holes in their pockets dropping change around the UT A.D.Building,of course not 

Of course your oilmen didn't have any holes in their pockets dropping change around the UT A.D.Building,of course not

Lulz. Red herring that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Bob $toops is the last person anyone should be quoting when he hypocritically talks about "integrity."  People might as well be quoting Hugh Freeze or Art Briles.

And if Texas had been cheating, we wouldn't have been getting our asses kicked by shitass programs like SMU and Baylor.

Lulz.

If Texas had been cheating, we wouldn't have been getting our asses kicked by shitass programs like SMU and Baylor.

Just not good at it  - like football.

Really? You think the 2023 offensive coordinator, now head coach, wasn't directly involved?

I said MOST of the perps.  I agree with whoever said the current coach should have a show cause for x years.

Clean house.  But don't denigrate the newbies who weren't part of it.

This is where we go from "everyone agrees" to "Ohio State fans editorializing".

I don't think Michigan's program is "utter trash". I think this is a giant black mark on their reputation. But I'm not going to fly off the handle about it.

The biggest issue is that this scandal is large enough that I think the AD should have burned it down, canned Sherrone Moore, and started from scratch. Don't let short term stability get in the way of your integrity.

What makes the program utter trash is that they didn't do what you said here.  

Tressel cheated.  He was a NC winning coach and Ohio State fired him when it became obvious that he broke the rules.  

Other institutions that have integrity have done the same thing.  Penn State fired Paterno who was a NC winning coach and basically personified Penn State.  Penn State and Ohio State reacted appropriately because they have institutional integrity.  

Michigan quite simply doesn't.  The cheating isn't the issue, it is the institutional response, or lack thereof and the fact that this is far from the first time.  

Michigan got kicked out of the league 110 years ago for cheating.  Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag.  

They stole a final four with the worst pay-to-play scandal in the modern history of college basketball.  Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag.  

They have the worst cheating scandal in the modern history of college baseball.  Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag.  

They now have what you called "the most egregious cheating scandal I've ever heard of--even worse than point-shaving".  Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag.  

You guys may not like the way I've phrased it but call a spade a spade.  None of the facts I laid out are disputable.