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ELA

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #406 on: September 15, 2023, 05:10:36 PM »
Just win Baby
I'd like to go back to like'95 alignment of Conferences with one caveat . Revenue sharing pertaining to Networx and Gov't grants for all conf. members. The last 10-12 yrs are just BS and will be the undoing of what we came to enjoy in the sport IMHO. Adding Rutgers/Maryland where just a bad fit and too much for the divisions also. If I ever see Big Jim I'll  kick his cajones in if he has any

If the power conferences had joined together then, and negotiated tv deals together, we might have had something

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #407 on: September 15, 2023, 06:29:54 PM »

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For a team like Purdue, the CFP doesn't sound like fun at all. 
Listen, I know you believe this. Your inner Purdue fan has been through the ringer and now resembles this:




But no, there is no plausible argument that fans will be sadder to be in the playoffs than the Cheez-It Bowl. Sparty fans were excited to make the playoffs in 2015 despite them having the same shot of winning as Purdue. There is the constant conflation of thinking everything will be like it is now, but that is almost certainly wrong. The odds that the Big Ten will look exactly the same in 2034 as 2024 is very low.

Further, while we are fixated on Purdue, most of the programs are Purdue. And some of them will have good seasons and make the playoffs and create lasting excitement and memories for the fans. It will be much better than a random bowl game. And, it makes it more likely that other programs can chase that level of success. Which is good.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #408 on: September 15, 2023, 06:48:02 PM »


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This statement is, at best, disingenuous.  Game results DID matter. 



No. It is fact. In baseball, a team has a record. First place wins their division and makes the playoffs. The next group makes the wildcard. They don't wait until the season ends and then vote on who should go to the playoffs. You know, with certainty, the benefits of a particular win or loss.

The 2016 Big Ten Championship featured two great teams in Penn State and Wisconsin. Penn State wanted to make the playoffs because they already beat OSU. Wisconsin had the same record as Penn State. The game didn't end up mattering either way, though you didn't really know that at the time. It was just a guess. Maybe you were rooting for something big. Maybe you weren't. They tell you after it's over. Maybe you find that fun, but I certainly don't. I think that is just neutering big games and then saying it's for the greater good.

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« Reply #409 on: September 15, 2023, 07:04:03 PM »
Alright Sam, you've convinced me. The Playoff is great, and it's going to inspire hordes of future little Purdue fans because of how exciting it will be. 

I look forward to Purdue's first appearance in the College Football Playoff. God willing, I'll be able to dress my wee little great-grandson up for it and light the Boilermaker fires within his soul. 

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« Reply #410 on: September 15, 2023, 07:41:24 PM »
Alright Sam, you've convinced me. The Playoff is great, and it's going to inspire hordes of future little Purdue fans because of how exciting it will be.

I look forward to Purdue's first appearance in the College Football Playoff. God willing, I'll be able to dress my wee little great-grandson up for it and light the Boilermaker fires within his soul.

You're literally telling him your own preference for your own program and he's telling you you're wrong.
He's unreachable.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #411 on: September 15, 2023, 07:42:23 PM »
No. It is fact. In baseball, a team has a record. First place wins their division and makes the playoffs. The next group makes the wildcard. They don't wait until the season ends and then vote on who should go to the playoffs. You know, with certainty, the benefits of a particular win or loss.

The 2016 Big Ten Championship featured two great teams in Penn State and Wisconsin. Penn State wanted to make the playoffs because they already beat OSU. Wisconsin had the same record as Penn State. The game didn't end up mattering either way, though you didn't really know that at the time. It was just a guess. Maybe you were rooting for something big. Maybe you weren't. They tell you after it's over. Maybe you find that fun, but I certainly don't. I think that is just neutering big games and then saying it's for the greater good.
Just stop, you are making yourself look silly.

In 2016 Penn State lost to a mediocre Pitt team and got annihilated by a Michigan team that Ohio State beat.

Lack of certainty is not the same thing as game results not mattering.

Penn State's win over Ohio State mattered but so did Ohio State's 11 wins, Penn State's other 10 wins, AND Penn State's two bad losses.

The fact that you thought the committee got the wrong answer does not mean that game results did not matter, it means that they ALL mattered not just divisional games.

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« Reply #412 on: September 15, 2023, 07:50:01 PM »


Bowl games were maybe meaningless. But they were fun. For a team like Purdue, the CFP doesn't sound like fun at all.
You're wrong for not wanting to get throttled by a juggernaut in your final game of the season.  Just getting to the playoff is going to warm your heart for decades.  Ignore the embarrassing final score.  You got in!  Celebrate!  
Correct your opinion.  Duh!!
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #413 on: September 15, 2023, 07:55:07 PM »
You're wrong for not wanting to get throttled by a juggernaut in your final game of the season.  Just getting to the playoff is going to warm your heart for decades.  Ignore the embarrassing final score.  You got in!  Celebrate! 
Correct your opinion.  Duh!!
It's ok. I'm just a middle-aged man pining for the way things used to be. 

It's those future Purdue fans who will be excited to make the playoff. For, you know, the school who hasn't had a 2-loss regular season since 1979, and hasn't had a 1-loss regular season since 1958. 

And who is now in an 18-team conference where starting in 2024 there won't be divisions and they will pick the top two conference teams for the CCG. 

I'm sure that CFP-worthy record is JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #414 on: September 15, 2023, 07:56:19 PM »
Just stop, you are making yourself look silly.

In 2016 Penn State lost to a mediocre Pitt team and got annihilated by a Michigan team that Ohio State beat.

Lack of certainty is not the same thing as game results not mattering.

Penn State's win over Ohio State mattered but so did Ohio State's 11 wins, Penn State's other 10 wins, AND Penn State's two bad losses.

The fact that you thought the committee got the wrong answer does not mean that game results did not matter, it means that they ALL mattered not just divisional games.
Yes it does! I mean, when you are wrong you're wrong, and here you are 100%, without a shadow of a doubt, living in a dreamland wrong.

It doesn't matter that you can say, in retrospect, what games matter and what didn't. That doesn't tell you, at the time they are played, when they are played, how they will matter and why. The stakes are uncertain. If you like that, more power to you, though there is a reason pretty much all sports that can have moved away from that system. When the games are played, you don't know if they matter, whether they will matter, and how they will matter. That's the whole problem! The 2016 Big Ten Championship was maybe for something and maybe not for something. While you were watching, you didn't know. It was NOT, win and you advance, which is exciting. It was "win and hope" which is very much more of a wet fart.

Which is what I'm railing against. You and OAM and whomever seem to want more wet fart games. I want games that actually matter and you know what the stakes are. We clearly don't have that right now, nor do we have much access for other teams. It's a lose/lose for causal fans and fans of everyone but the best teams.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #415 on: September 15, 2023, 07:57:34 PM »
It's ok. I'm just a middle-aged man pining for the way things used to be.

It's those future Purdue fans who will be excited to make the playoff. For, you know, the school who hasn't had a 2-loss regular season since 1979, and hasn't had a 1-loss regular season since 1958.

And who is now in an 18-team conference where starting in 2024 there won't be divisions and they will pick the top two conference teams for the CCG.

I'm sure that CFP-worthy record is JUST AROUND THE CORNER.
If the Alamo Bowl can make you pine for the good ole days, just think what a playoff appearance would do to the pimply teenaged Purdue fans now.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #416 on: September 15, 2023, 07:59:12 PM »
You're wrong for not wanting to get throttled by a juggernaut in your final game of the season.  Just getting to the playoff is going to warm your heart for decades.  Ignore the embarrassing final score.  You got in!  Celebrate! 
Correct your opinion.  Duh!!
We can all agree that Florida should have folded their program after getting throttled by Nebraska. Surely Nebraska reigns supreme to this day and Florida never accomplished another thing of note in football again.

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« Reply #417 on: September 15, 2023, 08:54:57 PM »
If the Alamo Bowl can make you pine for the good ole days, just think what a playoff appearance would do to the pimply teenaged Purdue fans now.
Sam, what's your over/under on the year Purdue makes their first playoff appearance? 

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« Reply #418 on: September 15, 2023, 08:58:16 PM »
Sam, what's your over/under on the year Purdue makes their first playoff appearance?
2031, when they win the MAC and go to the Tournament of Champions and face Big South winner Arkansas State on Google Pass

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« Reply #419 on: September 15, 2023, 09:05:13 PM »
2031, when they win the MAC and go to the Tournament of Champions and face Big South winner Arkansas State on Google Pass
No, I honestly meant that as a serious question.

Assumptions: 18-team B1G (no further expansion). No divisions and top two teams make CCG. 9 team conference schedule (since it hasn't been announced to be 10). 12-team playoff with *5* (not 6) auto-bids of the top conference champs since there's only a P4 now, and thus 7 at-large bids.

Knowing the history of CFB, what do you realistically think is the o/u on the first year Purdue makes the playoff?

 

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