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MaximumSam

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #238 on: September 08, 2023, 08:52:07 PM »
I'm pro-network?  Cool.  Tell me more about myself.
I will. You pretend that what is good for television is magically good for spots. Your entire point is that programs that aren't as well funded should simply not get the same chances at more well funded teams. You've been very vocal that if there is a good chance for a blowout, the game should not even be played, in favor of a closer game between teams that did not earn it on the field. That is pro-television, not pro-sports.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #239 on: September 09, 2023, 12:23:50 AM »
I will. You pretend that what is good for television is magically good for spots. Your entire point is that programs that aren't as well funded should simply not get the same chances at more well funded teams. You've been very vocal that if there is a good chance for a blowout, the game should not even be played, in favor of a closer game between teams that did not earn it on the field. That is pro-television, not pro-sports.

You're ignoring WHY they're not as well funded. 

Also, your opinion that Team B didn't "earn it on the field" and Team A did is adorable.  The 1-loss team is automatically better/more deserving than any 2-loss team, right?
That's what you're suggesting here.
A 5 year-old's understanding of context.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #240 on: September 09, 2023, 12:27:21 AM »
And I've made zero comments about suggesting what's good for networks is good for college football.  You're inventing shit.  What's good for college football is actual competition, not pretending TCU is a deserving playoff team.  Beat Kansas State, bro!

I want the best 2 deserving teams to play for the championship.  I want every game among the top teams to count.  Why did they bother playing the Big 12 CG in 2022?!?  The ramifications of the outcome were fuck-all.
Answer that.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #241 on: September 09, 2023, 12:35:34 AM »
my one rule Id like to see for making the playoffs is if a team has already played and lost to any other playoff team during the season they are done and out of playoff contention
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #242 on: September 09, 2023, 07:31:25 AM »
You're ignoring WHY they're not as well funded. 

They aren't well funded because the rules don't make that an incentive. It's not like Alabama is magically richer than other programs. They were really good and got a big fan base and lots of support. It's the same with every other program -FSU and PSU are big based on having the same great coach for thirty years. There aren't many reasons that other programs can't become good and big, other than the rules don't provide any way for small programs to become big programs and in fact actively block it. 

To put it a different way - there is no reason based in sports or competitiveness that puts Rutgers in the Big Ten over Cincinnati. Those decisions are based in money and contracts and largely driven now by television networks. 

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« Reply #243 on: September 09, 2023, 07:33:32 AM »
And I've made zero comments about suggesting what's good for networks is good for college football.  You're inventing shit.  What's good for college football is actual competition, not pretending TCU is a deserving playoff team.  Beat Kansas State, bro!

I want the best 2 deserving teams to play for the championship.  I want every game among the top teams to count.  Why did they bother playing the Big 12 CG in 2022?!?  The ramifications of the outcome were fuck-all.
Answer that.
Alabama-LSU suffered the same problem and largely ended the BCS. Alabama still won a championship in the playoff era despite not even qualifying for their championship game. How is this a new problem? Oklahoma got destroyed in their championship game and still made the BC game. It's not a new problem.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #244 on: September 09, 2023, 08:09:53 AM »
A direct statement I can make that might help out with your comprehension and understanding is this:

it's a lot about before the game begins - no team should win a national championship on a huge upset.

Is that actually inflammatory?
Am I nuts??

Biggest NCG upsets since the beginning of the BCS:
+11 - OSU, 2002
+7 - Florida, 2006....Texas, 2005....LSU, 2003
+6.5 - Clemson, 2016
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And I'll stop there. 
National championship games should have a big bouncer at the door, a spike strip in the parking lot, and surrounded by the walls of Troy.
Only big swinging dick programs with impressive schedules need apply. 
Why?
Because outside of 1 season, everyone we thought had no chance HAD no chance.
ND in 2012.  Destroyed.
FSU was a 10 point dog in 2000.  Didn't score a point on offense.
The Huskers in 2001.  No shot.
TCU....give me a break.
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I want 2 teams that will have big days on Day 1 of the NFL draft.  I want great HCs and battle-tested teams. 
I believe there were like 6-7 different teams that would have had better odds vs Bama in 2012.  Everyone knew ND wasn't worthy.  But they had a magical zero in the loss column.  Well, so did Boise a few times.  So did Tulane in '98.  So what? 

A five-year old could rank teams by number of losses.  You want to criticize me for what I said about TCU-UM (I still have no idea what I said wrong about it), but YOU'RE the one ignoring TCU's loss to KSU yielding ZERO consequences!  That's bullshit.  Everyone knows it.
We've taken the sport with THE best, most intense regular season and transformed it into a conference championship game outcome being meaningless. 
Fuck that noise.  You can have it.
As I read this, I’m just sort of struck by the hunting for complaints.

this is sports. There are a lot of mismatches and ass kickings. There was no magical moment when they figured out how to engineer the perfect always competitive outcomes. If anything, having a playoff last year made things much more interesting because we got two good games instead of just one bad one.

Oh, and the only upside of the pre-BCS system was that we didn’t really have to live through it with the Internet. If people are put off by “not playing for something” and stacking losses, shoot, that was the game.


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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #245 on: September 09, 2023, 01:53:10 PM »
They aren't well funded because the rules don't make that an incentive. It's not like Alabama is magically richer than other programs. They were really good and got a big fan base and lots of support. It's the same with every other program -FSU and PSU are big based on having the same great coach for thirty years. There aren't many reasons that other programs can't become good and big, other than the rules don't provide any way for small programs to become big programs and in fact actively block it.

To put it a different way - there is no reason based in sports or competitiveness that puts Rutgers in the Big Ten over Cincinnati. Those decisions are based in money and contracts and largely driven now by television networks.
This is exhausting.

Look at what you've said.
You complain that it took TCU two decades to navigate and work it's way up.
Here, you recognize that traditional powers had to be good for decades to reap the rewards.  
IT'S NO DIFFERENT.

Duh!!!!!

Separately (yes, separately), the B1G adding Rutgers was stupid and I think everyone here would agree.  In a realignment climate where USC and Texas are moving, the B1G added Rutgers, lol.  
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #246 on: September 09, 2023, 01:54:44 PM »
This is exhausting.

Duh!!!!!
not if you let it go
Duh
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #247 on: September 09, 2023, 01:55:07 PM »
Alabama-LSU suffered the same problem and largely ended the BCS. Alabama still won a championship in the playoff era despite not even qualifying for their championship game. How is this a new problem? Oklahoma got destroyed in their championship game and still made the BC game. It's not a new problem.
I already mentioned that OU team.  I'm not saying it's a new problem, it's the same problem in the newest system.
Are you actually reading my posts?
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #248 on: September 09, 2023, 03:03:08 PM »
This is exhausting.

Look at what you've said.
You complain that it took TCU two decades to navigate and work it's way up.
Here, you recognize that traditional powers had to be good for decades to reap the rewards. 
IT'S NO DIFFERENT.

It's exhausting for you because you have no point. It didn't take "decades" for FSU to work it's way up. They played in the Orange Bowl in 1980, just four years after Bowden started coaching. My point is that without artificial barriers in place, FSU quickly worked their way to the top of college football after years of being an also-ran, a team that by your logic shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the top of college football. You keep pretending that college football is a one off every year, when it absolutely isn't. Good programs build over time, and a good system in place should reward good programs. I don't know why anyone would be satisfied with television conference deals determining things over results on the field, but here we are.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #249 on: September 09, 2023, 07:55:17 PM »
It's exhausting for you because you have no point. It didn't take "decades" for FSU to work it's way up. They played in the Orange Bowl in 1980, just four years after Bowden started coaching. My point is that without artificial barriers in place, FSU quickly worked their way to the top of college football after years of being an also-ran, a team that by your logic shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the top of college football. You keep pretending that college football is a one off every year, when it absolutely isn't. Good programs build over time, and a good system in place should reward good programs. I don't know why anyone would be satisfied with television conference deals determining things over results on the field, but here we are.
Red + blue ------- who are you debating?  When did I suggest any of that?  Wtf?
FSU scheduled tough and beat the hell out of nearly all the other teams they played.  And they weren't in some 2nd-rate conference.  Your examples/non-examples are invalid.  

Last part - why do you feel the need to say that?  Everyone knows that and no one is suggesting otherwise.  



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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #250 on: September 09, 2023, 08:01:06 PM »

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Last part - why do you feel the need to say that?  Everyone knows that and no one is suggesting otherwise.  
But you are!  You're entire point is that the worst thing that can happen in post season college football is that a team like TCU (or Cincinnati before them) could be allowed into the room. That is the exact same position Tv execs have. They want OSU, Bama, Georgia, and Notre Dame every year, maybe rotate in whoever else are in the top markets. Pro sports have large and small markets, but are infinitely more diverse in their postseason compared to college football. 


So when your biggest objection is that the have nots sneaks their way into the postseason, you are 100% aligned with the ESPN execs who want the championship game to be in prime time on Monday night between Ohio State and Georgia.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #251 on: September 10, 2023, 03:50:52 AM »
If I'm advocating for the playoff to be exclusive for completely different reasons than TV execs, then you're being dishonest by lumping us together.

Both a bee and an airplane can fly, but why the hell would anyone lump the two together?!?  

Go away.
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