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FearlessF

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #224 on: September 08, 2023, 08:37:17 PM »
well, no thanks if they don't know their place

"10-2, win the MAC, and enjoy their trip to the Obscure.com Bowl in Mobile, AL. "

that's pretty satisfying if they understand how things work
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #225 on: September 08, 2023, 08:38:47 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 08, 2023, 08:13:45 PM
Actually, this is wrong. The Why is because we have like three teams getting the bulk of the high end talent in college football. But God forbid we change the rules to help the other 120 teams.
We spent a long time trying to stop the helmets from being able to simply buy the best team. To attempt that was cheating. 

Now it's all above board. Richest boosters win! 
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« Reply #226 on: September 08, 2023, 08:38:57 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 08, 2023, 08:34:51 PM
@MaximumSam if your plan is to get 120+ programs on equal footing, you're not sharing the same reality as the rest of us
well, ya gotta define equal footing

truly equal is a pipe dream

equal for Illinois and Michigan has and never will happen
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #227 on: September 08, 2023, 08:39:34 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 08, 2023, 08:34:51 PM
@MaximumSam if your plan is to get 120+ programs on equal footing, you're not sharing the same reality as the rest of us
you'll never get P5 teams on equal footing let alone all of FBS. 

cut FBS down to about 60 schools though and you can maybe do things to create a little bit more parity- but you'll never be able to actually create true parity. 
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« Reply #228 on: September 08, 2023, 08:40:19 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 08, 2023, 08:38:47 PM
We spent a long time trying to stop the helmets from being able to simply buy the best team. To attempt that was cheating.

Now it's all above board. Richest boosters win!
yes, but the richest players are now able to get richer than their peers
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #229 on: September 08, 2023, 08:41:14 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 08, 2023, 08:25:43 PM
It doesn't work unless there is a path to move up for good programs. Otherwise it's just the same old same old - the rich programs protecting themselves from the poors.
Do you even watch college football?
In 2005, TCU went 11-1 and their reward?  A trip to the Poinsettia Bowl.  
8 years after going 1-10 in the WAC, they did that.  As a member of the MWC.

17 years later, they played for the NC (sorta).
Open your eyes.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #230 on: September 08, 2023, 08:43:29 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 08, 2023, 08:34:51 PM
@MaximumSam if your plan is to get 120+ programs on equal footing, you're not sharing the same reality as the rest of us
"Equal footing" is a loaded term. For all teams to be equal is silly. But there ought to be certain opportunities for good programs to move up. Right now, every conference and schedule determination is based on money, not competition. While money makes the world go round, it does lead to things like Georgia having better players at every position compared to TCU. If we made things based on competition, the results would be different. 

The problem I have with your logic is you take the money side and then pretend that is the same as competition. That is the biggest lie going in college sports.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #231 on: September 08, 2023, 08:45:21 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 08, 2023, 08:41:14 PM
Do you even watch college football?
In 2005, TCU went 11-1 and their reward?  A trip to the Poinsettia Bowl. 
8 years after going 1-10 in the WAC, they did that.  As a member of the MWC.

17 years later, they played for the NC (sorta).
Open your eyes.
Yes! That's the problem! It takes two decades of great play just to break in. That is impossibly stupid. Imagine if say, the Detroit Lions, went 16-1 this season and the NFL said, "keep it up and in 17 years we may give you a shot."
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #232 on: September 08, 2023, 08:45:40 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 08, 2023, 08:43:29 PM
"Equal footing" is a loaded term. For all teams to be equal is silly. But there ought to be certain opportunities for good programs to move up. Right now, every conference and schedule determination is based on money, not competition. While money makes the world go round, it does lead to things like Georgia having better players at every position compared to TCU. If we made things based on competition, the results would be different.

The problem I have with your logic is you take the money side and then pretend that is the same as competition. That is the biggest lie going in college sports.
One of us is realistic and the other is you.
I'd like the lie to end, but me wanting something doesn't make it so.  What should be vs what is......open your eyes.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #233 on: September 08, 2023, 08:47:20 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 08, 2023, 08:45:21 PM
Yes! That's the problem! It takes two decades of great play just to break in. That is impossibly stupid.
BUT IT EXISTS.  
But the larger point is that TCU is owed nothing.  Through luck and performance, they've navigated their way into whatever you want to label last year as.  

You complain there's no way to ascend, and when shown a way someone ascended, you bitch about how long it takes.  
I'm sorry reality doesn't run on your clock.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #234 on: September 08, 2023, 08:47:36 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 08, 2023, 08:45:40 PM
One of us is realistic and the other is you.
I'd like the lie to end, but me wanting something doesn't make it so.  What should be vs what is......open your eyes.
"Realistic" is just a loaded term for being all out of ideas. It's no secret that college football presidents are being swamped by TV executives. What is best for college football and what is best for television networks isn't the same. But as long as people like you are pro-network, and I agree most fans are, then we aren't going to get much positive change.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #235 on: September 08, 2023, 08:48:07 PM »
2 decades of great play only got them a seat at the table because of realignment completely out of their control and had very little to do with their great play
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #236 on: September 08, 2023, 08:48:51 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 08, 2023, 08:48:07 PM
2 decades of great play only got them a seat at the table because of realignment completely out of their control and had very little to do with their great play
Hence my listing luck first.
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« Reply #237 on: September 08, 2023, 08:49:11 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 08, 2023, 08:47:36 PM
"Realistic" is just a loaded term for being all out of ideas. It's no secret that college football presidents are being swamped by TV executives. What is best for college football and what is best for television networks isn't the same. But as long as people like you are pro-network, and I agree most fans are, then we aren't going to get much positive change.
I'm pro-network?  Cool.  Tell me more about myself.
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