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utee94

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #196 on: September 07, 2023, 02:39:04 PM »
Doesn't seem convoluted to me at all.

The "traditional" conferences get to keep all their Olympic sports. The football schools are all like Notre Dame - Independent - except for the divisions they are placed in within the power league.

There are no more traditional conferences.  The PAC has been completely blown away and other conferences are now frankenversions of their former selves.  There's nowhwere for those schools to "go back to."  The infrastructure has already been completely wiped out.

Something like this might have been possible 12-15 years ago.  Maybe.  Even then it would have been highly unlikely.

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« Reply #197 on: September 07, 2023, 02:50:42 PM »
This is all gonna blow up. That's why I'm proposing a solution for the next time the TV contracts come up.

Who knows. The NFL could come in right now and pay off the ACC GOR, right?

The NFL has no incentive to make a minor league because it already has that. But they always want a bigger piece of the pie, so if they want to create a super-league of the 50 best college programs they could do so - and make a shit-ton of money doing it.

10 divisions with 5 teams each. Traditional rivals be damned. Each division gets a helmet.

2 conferences - CFB North and CFB South. Each gets 5 teams and a Wildcard. Best four get a week off.

If that sounds like the NFL, well it is. NFL light. We're about there now, so just finish it off instead of this slow death of CFB as we knew and loved it.

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« Reply #198 on: September 07, 2023, 02:51:49 PM »
This could become a food and wine and booze and travel and energy and weather board. And other news, of course. No electric cars. F that. Sporty cars is fine.
For some of us, it already is...

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #199 on: September 07, 2023, 02:58:10 PM »
For some of us, it already is...

Very true.

I know my school will be in the power league, so that's fine and dandy. They will simply be the Detroit Lions and never win anything. Fine and dandy too as I will not be watching like I do now.

We'll watch it like we watch the NFL, which is not much, and mostly based on watching the best players. We do not sit and watch a Lions/Cardinals game.

Why TF would we do that to ourselves?
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #200 on: September 07, 2023, 03:25:41 PM »
That's another reason I don't really see the top 40 or whatever, breaking away and forming a separate league.  You gotta have some Purdues and some Texas A&M's to pad your wins, right?


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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #201 on: September 07, 2023, 03:35:07 PM »
Huh?  Are these supposed to be examples of "blowouts?"  Alabama only led Texas by 3 points with 3 minutes to go, with Texas having the ball at the time.

If Colt McCoy hadn't been knocked out in the 1st quarter, I have no doubt how that game would have turned out.
Not the point. I remember going to bed at halftime because the game wasn't competitive. In OAM's world, that is all that matters. There is no universe where Texas won the game, and football always goes by what we think is going to happen.

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« Reply #202 on: September 07, 2023, 03:40:30 PM »
With an expanded playoff like that, and all helmets getting into one division alone, there will be padded wins in their divisions.

You're still gonna have 40 non-helmets to push around.

Michigan could have Wisconsin, Minnie, NU and MSU to push around.

Texas could have aTm, TCU, SMU and Houston to push around.

fND could have Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal to push around.

Etc.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #203 on: September 07, 2023, 08:57:15 PM »
and then there's non-con games
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #204 on: September 07, 2023, 11:38:40 PM »




You simply can't have it both ways. You can either have a big postseason tournament OR you can have regular season games that matter.

Please quit beating up strawmen. Nobody is saying that we don't want games to matter or that we want upsets to be ignored. The debate is over which games matter and when upsets matter.
This thisi this this this 
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« Reply #205 on: September 07, 2023, 11:46:27 PM »
Not the point. I remember going to bed at halftime because the game wasn't competitive. In OAM's world, that is all that matters. There is no universe where Texas won the game, and football always goes by what we think is going to happen.
Put on some sunglasses or something, your ire for me is blinding you.

You've said or suggested these 2 things, and I want you to support them with evidence:
1 - TCU losing 65-7 is akin to any other ho-hum blowout
2 - the divide between Texas and Alabama in 09 is akin to the spread between TCU and UGA in '22 (above)
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Instead of peeing in my Cheerios, for a moment, please just provide some support for these gems.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #206 on: September 08, 2023, 12:02:38 AM »
A direct statement I can make that might help out with your comprehension and understanding is this:

it's a lot about before the game begins - no team should win a national championship on a huge upset.

Is that actually inflammatory?
Am I nuts??

Biggest NCG upsets since the beginning of the BCS:
+11 - OSU, 2002
+7 - Florida, 2006....Texas, 2005....LSU, 2003
+6.5 - Clemson, 2016
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And I'll stop there. 
National championship games should have a big bouncer at the door, a spike strip in the parking lot, and surrounded by the walls of Troy.
Only big swinging dick programs with impressive schedules need apply. 
Why?
Because outside of 1 season, everyone we thought had no chance HAD no chance.
ND in 2012.  Destroyed.
FSU was a 10 point dog in 2000.  Didn't score a point on offense.
The Huskers in 2001.  No shot.
TCU....give me a break.
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I want 2 teams that will have big days on Day 1 of the NFL draft.  I want great HCs and battle-tested teams. 
I believe there were like 6-7 different teams that would have had better odds vs Bama in 2012.  Everyone knew ND wasn't worthy.  But they had a magical zero in the loss column.  Well, so did Boise a few times.  So did Tulane in '98.  So what? 

A five-year old could rank teams by number of losses.  You want to criticize me for what I said about TCU-UM (I still have no idea what I said wrong about it), but YOU'RE the one ignoring TCU's loss to KSU yielding ZERO consequences!  That's bullshit.  Everyone knows it.
We've taken the sport with THE best, most intense regular season and transformed it into a conference championship game outcome being meaningless. 
Fuck that noise.  You can have it.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2023, 01:31:13 AM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #207 on: September 08, 2023, 06:18:15 AM »
This is my biggest problem with ND. Who gives a shit if they have a 0 in the L column. They never deserved to be in the CFP or BCS. They got in because of helmet status, because the system is rigged for those handful of programs with that golden halo. 

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #208 on: September 08, 2023, 07:07:04 AM »

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FSU was a 10 point dog in 2000.  Didn't score a point on offense.
FSU was an 11.5 favorite and by your logic Oklahoma should not have been allowed in the game. That's my point - you keep saying these big upsets should not have been allowed to happen. I agree, to some extent, that expanding the playoffs cheapens the regular season, though that is more because of the selection process. The BCS even had the same problem - the LSU-Bama championship game was an all time own goal. I don't think there is a solution when the "process" is obsessed with selections as opposed to objective ways to earn your way in.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #209 on: September 08, 2023, 07:12:02 AM »
People are trying to argue the CFP in here.

If you go all the way back to @medinabuckeye1 's original post, it's not about the playoff.

It's about the fact that NIL and the transfer portal are tilting the field SO FAR in favor of the blue bloods that fans of every other team in CFB might start losing interest. The CFP may be a part of this, but mostly in that it has completely sucked the postseason air out of the room such that if a non-helmet team goes 8-4 and gets invited to the Punxsutawney Phil Bowl, is that even worth tuning in for? It at least used to be.

There was never true parity, but much of what the sport has done over the last several decades had an intent of increasing parity. NIL and the transfer portal is going FAR in the opposite direction, and may kill interest in the sport if you're not a helmet or helmet-adjacent team. And there may not be enough interest at that point, because all it becomes is a shittier version of the NFL.
I'm just not seeing it. Basketball as quickly shown the effects of the transfer portal and NIL, and love it or hate it, I don't see much argument that blue bloods are dominating the sport.

 

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