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MaximumSam

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #168 on: September 06, 2023, 08:08:36 PM »

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65-7 was different.  It could have been worse.  That's the part you're ignoring.
Why would anyone possibly care? That is the part you are avoiding. Watching a 21 point blowout and a 58 point blowout are typically pretty equally boring. But in the playoffs, we saw TCU beat Michigan. In your world, we just get the blowout. There is no rational argument for wanting one blowout over two great games and one blowout. Your math ain't mathin'.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #169 on: September 06, 2023, 08:10:42 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 06, 2023, 08:08:36 PM
Why would anyone possibly care? That is the part you are avoiding. Watching a 21 point blowout and a 58 point blowout are typically pretty equally boring. But in the playoffs, we saw TCU beat Michigan. In your world, we just get the blowout. There is no rational argument for wanting one blowout over two great games and one blowout. Your math ain't mathin'.

Boring's got nothing to do with it.  I specified they played with their hair on fire and beat UM.  I literally typed that in my post you mustn't have read.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #170 on: September 06, 2023, 08:16:17 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 06, 2023, 08:10:42 PM
Boring's got nothing to do with it.  I specified they played with their hair on fire and beat UM.  I literally typed that in my post you mustn't have read.
Yes, it was a great game. A game you are saying should never have happened. I don't understand this position, arguing against more access for more teams and in favor of having fewer, suckier games among the chosen few five teams.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #171 on: September 06, 2023, 10:19:53 PM »
I don’t even understand the phrase “ playing with their hair on fire”. Was Michigan not?  We’re they not giving it their best effort?  Bull shit. TCU just flat out played them in the first half and held on for the 2nd half. But it wouldn’t have mattered who won, either TCU or Michigan, the title game would’ve had the same result because it will be the SEC winning 90% of the time. How many years do we need to prove this out?  Because we’re approaching about the 20 year mark. 

We have just as many blowout title games as we do close ones. I clearly recall Nebraska getting blown out by Miami, ND ( permanent blue blood) getting blown out by Bama, Florida getting blown out Nebraska. 
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« Reply #172 on: September 07, 2023, 12:42:12 AM »
TCU was a worse team that upset a better team.  I didn't comment on UM's effort.

Again, the caricature some of you have of my posts must be awfully entertaining and/or maddening.  But it's not what I type.  Read what I type, please.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #173 on: September 07, 2023, 12:43:24 AM »
I guess I'm the only one that differentiates a blowout game that had a single-digit betting line versus a foregone conclusion. 

My bad.

UM probably wouldn't have beaten UGA.  Maybe they win 2 out of 10.  1?  4?  Somewhere in there.
There is no universe in which TCU beats UGA.  What's "suckier" than that?
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« Reply #174 on: September 07, 2023, 02:31:39 AM »
Anyway, I've repeatedly said in the past that crowing a champion should be exclusive, not inclusive.
I happen not to want 9-7 Super Bowl "champions." 
I happen to like every regular season game meaning a lot.

TCU lost it's last game (and this began in 2001) and happened to not drop 1 spot in the polls for 2 reasons:  
1 - to avoid a UM/OSU rematch in a semifinal (which is a BS reason)
2 - because everyone else had one too many losses (when they happened and who they were against being completely ignored)

All of it was stupid.  As it was stupid when OU got rocked in its CCG, but still played for the NC in 03.  As it was stupid Nebraska was the sacrificial lamb vs Miami in 01 after allowing 63 points vs CU in its CCG.

People have broken the idea of logic by doing these things.  Why did the Big XII have a CCG game in 2022?  What was the point, from a competition point of view?
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #175 on: September 07, 2023, 07:14:24 AM »
TCU was better than Michigan that day. That’s the only stat that matters. 

Or do we just not really care about the scoreboard, just start giving the W to the closest blue blood?  

Under the old system TCU would have not been given a shot. Michigan is still being defended as being some kind of victim. 

“ TCU played with their hair on fire” 

“ Michigan came out flat” 

Sure they got their ass kicked in the final. It happens a lot, not much different than many other years. But they played their way into it, and settled it on the field. 
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #176 on: September 07, 2023, 07:57:07 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 07, 2023, 02:31:39 AM
Anyway, I've repeatedly said in the past that crowing a champion should be exclusive, not inclusive.
I happen not to want 9-7 Super Bowl "champions."
I happen to like every regular season game meaning a lot.

TCU lost it's last game (and this began in 2001) and happened to not drop 1 spot in the polls for 2 reasons: 
1 - to avoid a UM/OSU rematch in a semifinal (which is a BS reason)
2 - because everyone else had one too many losses (when they happened and who they were against being completely ignored)

All of it was stupid.  As it was stupid when OU got rocked in its CCG, but still played for the NC in 03.  As it was stupid Nebraska was the sacrificial lamb vs Miami in 01 after allowing 63 points vs CU in its CCG.

People have broken the idea of logic by doing these things.  Why did the Big XII have a CCG game in 2022?  What was the point, from a competition point of view?
Technicality. That was not the XII CCG.

Colorado beat #3 Texas in the CCG. If not, Texas would have been in the BCS championship game.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #177 on: September 07, 2023, 08:58:01 AM »
blowouts are part of the game - even with blue bloods

1971 season

The national championship showdown between No. 1 Nebraska and No. 2 Alabama barely got started before the powerful Cornhuskers erased all doubt. Nebraska led 14-0 at the end of the first quarter and 28-0 at halftime, en route to a 38-6 thrashing of the Crimson Tide.

1972 season

Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Rodgers erased all possible doubts about his claim to national pre-eminence with a devastating one-man attack on the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame as the Nebraska Cornhuskers confiscated their third consecutive Orange Bowl trophy with a 40-6 victory.  it was 40-0

And don't forget 62 - 24 in 1995 Osborne over Spurrier
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #178 on: September 07, 2023, 08:58:18 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 07, 2023, 07:57:07 AM
Technicality. That was not the XII CCG.

Colorado beat #3 Texas in the CCG. If not, Texas would have been in the BCS championship game.
I remember that season well.  Because CU was not really all that great, but they had it dialed in for those two games and then went to the Fiesta Bowl or something and got spanked.  
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #179 on: September 07, 2023, 09:10:27 AM »
yup, similar to TCU being dialed in for a couple games last season
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #180 on: September 07, 2023, 09:11:28 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 06, 2023, 07:21:30 PM
Eh, tough to take that argument seriously. The BCS also gave us FSU over Virginia Tech, Miami over Nebraska, an Oklahoma team that got blown out, USC over Oklahoma, Florida over Ohio State, Bammer over Texas, Bama over LSU, and Bama over Notre Dame. Your "correct" system gave us all sorts of blowouts. At least last year we got some good playoff games. Tough to make any sort of cogent argument that the BCS was gave us more deserving teams or more entertainment, which is why it was wisely sent to the garbage bin of failures.

The new system absolutely does give more teams a chance. Saying otherwise is just silly.

Huh?  Are these supposed to be examples of "blowouts?"  Alabama only led Texas by 3 points with 3 minutes to go, with Texas having the ball at the time. 

If Colt McCoy hadn't been knocked out in the 1st quarter, I have no doubt how that game would have turned out.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #181 on: September 07, 2023, 09:15:09 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 07, 2023, 07:57:07 AM
Technicality. That was not the XII CCG.

Colorado beat #3 Texas in the CCG. If not, Texas would have been in the BCS championship game.

And then Texas would have been the sacrificial lamb for Miami.  Kinda glad it didn't work out that way, although that's definitely a conference championship Texas should have won.  The Horns beat the Buffs 41-7 in the regular season but a Chris Simms meltdown in the CCG gave them the 39-37 edge for the B12 title.  Rematches suck.
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