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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #98 on: September 01, 2023, 09:30:23 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 01, 2023, 08:30:42 AM
I still think an elite coach would  turn them around, even if they could do well with a cheating mediocrity.
put a guy like Saban or Kirby who land basically any recruit they want at Miami and they might go 4 years only losing 3 games- which I believe Jimmy Johnson did there back in the day.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #99 on: September 01, 2023, 09:33:21 AM »
Kirby has a couple guys on staff reputed to be great recruiters.  I suspect Kirby only comes in to seal the deal, or if a kid is iffy and elite.  Location is important.  Alabama is however not a great state for HS talent, nor is it awful.  
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #100 on: September 01, 2023, 09:42:56 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 01, 2023, 09:33:21 AM
Kirby has a couple guys on staff reputed to be great recruiters.  I suspect Kirby only comes in to seal the deal, or if a kid is iffy and elite.  Location is important.  Alabama is however not a great state for HS talent, nor is it awful.
state of Alabama always has few high end top HS talent, but doesn't have the depth of places like TX, FL, CA, GA or OH. does great per capita though. not sure anyone comes close to Louisiana per capita though- something down in the water there.

Whatever Kirby is doing is working, because homeboy is crushing it out the park on the 'crootin trail and has been for the last 6+ years. He has a top 3-5 class every year without fail.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #101 on: September 01, 2023, 09:44:50 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 01, 2023, 09:24:34 AM
It's true that neither were elite, but they both inherited elite teams with elite rosters from elite coaches day 1 on the job. Erickson inherited a loaded squad from Jimmy Johnson and kept it going. With a little cheating of course. But hey, that never hurt anyone. Coker honestly didn't really do sh*t, he inherited a freaking all-time loaded squad from Butch Davis. Once Davis' players all went pro/graduated and it was all Coker's recruits the team fell apart at the seams into shambles.

They recruited the shit out of Palm Beach too....nearly as much talent in that county as the other two. Cannot forget Palm Beach.

Miami is a small private school for rich kids that has always stuck up it's nose at the athletes in the football program, way before Donna Shalala- who hasn't worked there in almost a decade btw. Don't kid yourself, they make massive exceptions still to get kids into the school that would never in a million years otherwise be admitted if they weren't insanely good at football.
Coker did not, and maybe that's why he failed? I'll always remember this one:

Field reporter lady: Coach, what is it like to recruit in a state like Florida?

Coach: We only recruit the State of Miami.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #102 on: September 01, 2023, 09:52:13 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 01, 2023, 09:44:50 AM
Coker did not, and maybe that's why he failed? I'll always remember this one:

Field reporter lady: Coach, what is it like to recruit in a state like Florida?

Coach: We only recruit the State of Miami.
dude was talking about basically recruiting only South Florida, of which Palm Beach county is in - which is basically all that Howard Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, Dennis Erickson, and Butch Davis did. Most of their depth chart and almost all of their star players were from 3 counties in Florida...
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #103 on: September 01, 2023, 10:06:47 AM »
Of the three, which one is the strongest? I always thought it was Broward.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #104 on: September 01, 2023, 10:11:37 AM »
the one where they catch rabbits in the grass
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #105 on: September 01, 2023, 10:22:52 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 01, 2023, 10:06:47 AM
Of the three, which one is the strongest? I always thought it was Broward.
Miami-Dade county, it has the largest population of the three and has the largest population of any county in Florida. Broward and Palm Beach aren't far behind though, they are the #2 and #3 counties in terms of population in the state. Those two counties have the expensive private schools like St Thomas Aquinas in Ft Lauderdale, Chaminade-Madonna in Hollywood, or American Heritage in Delray Beach that go out recruit all the top talent in South Florida and give them scholarships. Miami-Dade is basically all straight up public schools churning out that talent- which is insane.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #106 on: September 01, 2023, 10:24:02 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 01, 2023, 10:11:37 AM
the one where they catch rabbits in the grass
that's in Belle Glade and Pahokee, both in Palm Beach county waaaaay out west in the boondocks near Lake Okochobee in the middle of f'n nowhere.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #107 on: September 01, 2023, 10:29:04 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 01, 2023, 10:24:02 AM
that's in Belle Glade and Pahokee, both in Palm Beach county waaaaay out west in the boondocks near Lake Okochobee in the middle of f'n nowhere.
We drive that when we go see our friends over in Palm Beach. It's an... interesting area... that we don't make any stops in.

How's the football in Tampa? I haven't been here long enough to follow.

Football around here is better than the football was in the NW Chicago burbs.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #108 on: September 01, 2023, 10:42:28 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 01, 2023, 08:20:39 AM
I'd guess they are one elite coach away from being relevant again.  The kind that grows on trees ...
they just need someone that will identify and keep the cream of the crop at home. like they used to. nowadays they lose everyone they really want to Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, etc.. 

They probably win at least 1 national title with you or me coaching if they keep just these 10 players in their backyard home from the 2014 - 2017 classes (4 full cycles- a full roster for a coach)

QB - Lamar Jackson (Boynton Beach, FL) - 1st rd pick, Heisman trophy winner, NFL MVP 
RB - Dalvin Cook (Miami, FL) - 2nd rd pick 
RB - Sony Michel (Plantation, FL) - 1st rd pick 
WR- Jerry Jeudy (Deerfield Beach, FL) - 1st rd pick 
WR - Calvin Ridley (Pompano Beach, FL) - 1st rd pick 
LB - Devin Bush (Pembroke Pines, FL) - 1st rd pick
LB - Josh Uche (Miami, FL) - 2nd rd pick
CB - Trayvon Mullen (Pompano Beach, FL) - 2nd rd pick 
EDGE - Nick Bosa, (Fort Lauderdale, FL) - 1st rd pick, NFL DPOY
EDGE - Brian Burns (Delray Beach, FL) - 1st rd pick

Miami offered all those guys. Got none of them. That's eight 1st rd picks and two 2nd rd picks. They tried to get Lamar to play another position, he said no thanks. Imagine that. Bad decision. Good luck stopping that backfield with that QB and RB duo, can't double both those #1 WRs, that serious speed at LB, you don't have a prayer blocking that edge rush duo.

You can do that with basically any 4 full classes with guys just from their backyard in Miami, Broward, and Palm Beach and you'll have 10+ 1st or 2nd rd picks that Miami missed out on in their own backyard. 
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #109 on: September 01, 2023, 10:46:17 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 01, 2023, 10:29:04 AM
We drive that when we go see our friends over in Palm Beach. It's an... interesting area... that we don't make any stops in.

How's the football in Tampa? I haven't been here long enough to follow.

Football around here is better than the football was in the NW Chicago burbs.
I've lived in Florida 20+ years and I've never been to Tampa. Couldn't tell you much about it. I don't really leave South Florida.

Tampa area has IMG Academy of course, but they recruit players from all over the country. 

I'm sure there are great football players all over the state in Tampa, Panhandle, Jax, and Orlando. But there is nothing like the insane concentration of elite HS football talent in South Florida anywhere else in the state, maybe even in the entire country.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #110 on: September 04, 2023, 10:59:42 PM »
This is the simple truth. 

The NC will be won 9 out of 10 years by an SEC team. In the years that it is not won by an SEC team, there are only a handful of teams that can win. FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame, Ohio St, or Michigan. 

The only SEC teams that can win are Bama, UGA, Florida, LSU, or Auburn, and now OU and Texas. 

12 teams will win 96% of all future CFB national championships. 

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #111 on: September 04, 2023, 11:11:54 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on September 04, 2023, 10:59:42 PM
This is the simple truth.

The NC will be won 9 out of 10 years by an SEC team. In the years that it is not won by an SEC team, there are only a handful of teams that can win. FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame, Ohio St, or Michigan.

The only SEC teams that can win are Bama, UGA, Florida, LSU, or Auburn, and now OU and Texas.

12 teams will win 96% of all future CFB national championships.
Auburn isn't winning sh*t imo. Auburn got lucccccky as hell Cam Newton liked stealing laptops and his dad needed $250,000. It was a one-off fluke that just isn't going to happen again anytime soon. That team was so mid and Cam Newton was so awesome he literally carried it on his back all by himself to a title.

OU's day might've come and gone, they are going to get run through in the SEC. Won't be able to keep up with the Jonses imo. Bama was in the doldrums for 25+ years until they landed the GOAT. It's not a given they'll win forever without him. It's a small state with a small population that doesn't produce enough talent to sustain two major in-state SEC programs- Bama and Auburn.

UGA, Florida, Texas, and LSU will always have insane in-state recruiting advantages. Doesn't mean they'll always win- but whenever they have the right coach in place they're pretty much guarantee to be in it.
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