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Topic: Retirement / What am I working for?

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Re: Retirement / What am I working for?
« Reply #686 on: August 25, 2026, 12:07:26 PM »
Interesting. Regardless, if it works, it works.
You are correct I really don't understand it.  I had retiree health insurance when I retired but before Medicare, it cost ... more, maybe $400 a month for me?  I don't recall.  Once I turned 65 the cost went way down.  As you note, it seems to work.  I get a statement each year from the company about the finances of retiree health care.  It costs the company some money.

My real point is that IF you retire early, this is a significant consideration.  

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« Reply #687 on: August 25, 2026, 12:23:57 PM »
It is (now) utterred wisdom that one should expect $250,000 in out of pocket medical costs in retirement.  I first read this when hsa were being

I aggressively fund ours.  Triple tax free
That's one thing I've failed at... I don't quite max it, but not that far off the legal contribution limit.

But I've never tried to invest it, and I find that I keep using it. Me, a wife, 3 kids... All 5 of us wear glasses so that's an expense almost annually... Braces for 2 of the 3, one just had wisdom teeth removed this spring... My own dental stuff. 

It just adds up such that I'm not actually accumulating in the HSA, despite contributing quite a bit. I've been trying to contribute at a high level so that at some point I can do LASIK, which obviously will draw it down in a big chunk. 


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« Reply #688 on: August 25, 2026, 12:29:56 PM »
I was advised against an HSA. Doing those while being self-employed is complicated and difficult on owners.

We just have great insurance plans instead.
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« Reply #689 on: August 25, 2026, 12:32:02 PM »
I bumped my HSA contribution a couple months ago
I should do more but I'm quite healthy at the moment
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« Reply #690 on: August 25, 2026, 12:35:08 PM »
I have fully maxed my hsa since inception and have used zero dollars on current expenses. 

95% of it is in a target date index fund, and i keep the minimum amount allowed in cash.

If you keep your medical receipts you can go back as far as you want to seek reimbursement. 

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« Reply #691 on: August 25, 2026, 01:05:45 PM »
I'm about 6 years from being ready to take a package.  Right now I need to get both kids through college with my current setup.

Which should be alright, since my boss just asked me to take on about double the amount of work I'm currently doing, and will be paying me accordingly.  I've got probably 3 years in this current gig before I've trained AI well enough to replace me and my entire team.  So I need to work out another 3-year gig at my current employer and then I might make a move.


The fear of this is a big driver in what keeps me from aggressively looking for another job.  I could theoretically make a lot more money in the private sector, but everything I went back to school for (ironically, basically AI), is now in real jeopardy of being replaced by AI.  

Not that the state of Texas guarantees me continued employment.....people do get laid off.  But it seems there's more security here at the moment.  Depending on the pay increase, that would weight in.....at some point I'd be willing to risk it, sure, but then again....I'm not actively looking. 

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« Reply #692 on: August 25, 2026, 01:10:39 PM »
I just turned full-time again.

Made me an offer I couldn't refuse.


Sounds a little like my FIL.  He "quit" the company he built, left Denver completely, moved down to Colorado Springs, but was slated to work a light schedule from home a couple days a week, at the request of the people who took over.  He's got to stay busy, and there seems to be only so much golfing and fishing he can put up with before he wants to busy himself with work.  They keep offering him big $ to do a little, and he keeps signing up for a lot of it.  Far as I can tell he doesn't even come close to needing the money, and he's well old enough to fully retire.  He keeps threatening to, but I don't think retirement makes him happy.  

As for you, not knowing who you worked for in the 847, I was wondering if you still work for the same outfit remotely now, or did you start over somewhere else when you moved to FL?

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« Reply #693 on: August 25, 2026, 01:12:15 PM »
I was advised against an HSA. Doing those while being self-employed is complicated and difficult on owners.

We just have great insurance plans instead.
I think they’re best when you’re young and in some cases when you max out expenses. But it getsurky in the middle (and probably very weird when self-employed)

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« Reply #694 on: August 25, 2026, 01:31:48 PM »
You are correct I really don't understand it.  I had retiree health insurance when I retired but before Medicare, it cost ... more, maybe $400 a month for me?  I don't recall.  Once I turned 65 the cost went way down.  As you note, it seems to work.  I get a statement each year from the company about the finances of retiree health care.  It costs the company some money.

My real point is that IF you retire early, this is a significant consideration. 

What you're describing sounds like supplemental.  I'm just guessing, but it seems that you kept company insurance after quitting, and that's what you're calling "retiree H.I."  When you started Medicare, you must have continued the company's insurance, which then shifts from primary insurance to secondary, supplementing Medicare Parts A and B.  (A is hospital, B is doctors visits, basically.)  Company insurance gets a lot cheaper in that case because Medicare, as the primary insurer, is lifting most of the weight on any bills you incur.  Many companies offer the option to continue insurance with them as secondary behind Medicare.  I can tell you from working at a clinic dealing with patient insurance, the people who can afford that and do it are indeed sitting pretty.  They basically don't pay for anything beyond their premiums.  Exceptions can occur, of course.

Medicare Part C is those Medicare Replacement plans you might see advertised on TV.  Each area is going to have different companies administering those plans, so the names and companies where you live are probably completely different than what's around here.  It effectively replaces Parts A, B, and usually D.  The upside is premiums can be $0, which is why a lot of people do them who can't afford Medicare.  There are downsides, and I've seen plenty of it.  Those plans made up a huge chunk of our patient base when I worked at the clinic.  They'll make you jump through way more hoops than Medicare, both for annual checkups and for authorization for any tests/imaging you might need.  You'll also be limited to in-network providers (okay, actually everybody is, including Medicare, but most all clinics accept Medicare), and your network is usually limited to a specific area.  So, if you travel a lot, those plans can get tricky if you need medical care when you're, say, prancing around 4 states over.  The biggest downside to those plans from my POV is finding doctors that take them.  Increasingly, it was harder and harder to find specialists who accepted those plans.  Really screws with those old people who use those plans.  BUT, they are cost-effective.  

Medicare Part D is for prescriptions.  What pays for stuff at the pharmacy, etc.  

I've never messed with a HSA.  If I stay put and work as many years as I expect to, the state will pay 100% of supplemental premiums if I elect to keep their insurance in retirement (secondary to Medicare).  In the meantime, the state pays 100% of my premium now, and a big chunk of my wife's, which, given my health over the last 15+ years, is a big consideration for me keeping this job.  

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« Reply #695 on: August 25, 2026, 01:36:33 PM »

Sounds a little like my FIL.  He "quit" the company he built, left Denver completely, moved down to Colorado Springs, but was slated to work a light schedule from home a couple days a week, at the request of the people who took over.  He's got to stay busy, and there seems to be only so much golfing and fishing he can put up with before he wants to busy himself with work.  They keep offering him big $ to do a little, and he keeps signing up for a lot of it.  Far as I can tell he doesn't even come close to needing the money, and he's well old enough to fully retire.  He keeps threatening to, but I don't think retirement makes him happy. 

As for you, not knowing who you worked for in the 847, I was wondering if you still work for the same outfit remotely now, or did you start over somewhere else when you moved to FL?
Same company. The "kids" who bought it must think I came with it. I guess I did...

We had two offices in 847, one in 630 and one in 312. One of the 847's (consolidated) and the 312 (Chicago - 'nuff said) are closed.
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« Reply #696 on: August 25, 2026, 06:09:23 PM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/22/retirement-health-costs-fidelity.html

Here's a recent source for such OOP med expenses jn retirement. 

I set my target at 250k

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« Reply #697 on: August 26, 2026, 07:14:41 AM »
Another possible need in retirement is of course any kind of long term care that gets pricey.  I have a LT Care insurance policy which isn't cheap of course, it would cover a fair bit of stuff, I hope.  It adjusts for inflation each year.  It's worth considering, LT care can eat up a lot of savings when needed.  The other option is to "set aside" funds to cover that possibility, which is a fine approach if you are fairly young, say 50.

I am not a believer in life insurance beyond a certain point in life.  A lot of these things like burial cost policies are scams, to me.

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« Reply #698 on: August 26, 2026, 09:41:33 AM »
Another possible need in retirement is of course any kind of long term care that gets pricey.  I have a LT Care insurance policy which isn't cheap of course, it would cover a fair bit of stuff, I hope.  It adjusts for inflation each year.  It's worth considering, LT care can eat up a lot of savings when needed.  The other option is to "set aside" funds to cover that possibility, which is a fine approach if you are fairly young, say 50.


This.

The average person is going to get eaten up if it ever comes to nursing homes, palliative care or convalescence facilities.  I've seen it a bunch.  The upside is that Medicaid will kick in and pay when the rest of one's life savings have been depleted.  The downside is.....everything you worked for in life for retirement can and will get chewed up by the enormous expenses those places incur.  

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« Reply #699 on: August 26, 2026, 09:44:40 AM »
I will be taken out of this house on a stretcher, feet first. 

Not concerned at all about long-term care.
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