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Topic: Retirement / What am I working for?

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Retirement / What am I working for?
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2023, 04:26:47 PM »
I wanted to add that I don't really think that making low $100's sucks, but with a one income family it's not that much money.  It's definitely a good living, but not a great one and I think I can just do better with my own business and I don't want to wait until I'm in my 50's to really kick this thing off. 
I get that.  When I was in college I thought $100k/yr was a TON of money.  It really was a lot more then than it is now but the other difference is that I'm not a single guy with no kids anymore.  For a single guy with no kids, $100k can pay rent, make the payments on a cool car, and buy a LOT of beer.  

When you are married with kids $100k isn't so much money anymore.  

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« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2023, 06:09:27 PM »

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So there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of this thread by a couple of people.  I'm not looking to retire and NOT work.  I'm looking to leave my current job/career early to pursue ramping up my business.  
I just think the basic math suggests leaving is good. The pension can't get higher and will cover your health insurance and probably whatever 401K match they are doing. So it's really just whether you can live based on your business, and you suggested earlier I think as much as a 500K increase in revenue if you are doing it full time, which far outstrips your current salary. But even if you are wrong and growth is only 100K, you are still even. And if it goes sideways you can likely get your job back. Am I missing something? Seem like a pretty easy decision.

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« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2023, 07:17:56 PM »
I just think the basic math suggests leaving is good. The pension can't get higher and will cover your health insurance and probably whatever 401K match they are doing. So it's really just whether you can live based on your business, and you suggested earlier I think as much as a 500K increase in revenue if you are doing it full time, which far outstrips your current salary. But even if you are wrong and growth is only 100K, you are still even. And if it goes sideways you can likely get your job back. Am I missing something? Seem like a pretty easy decision.

A 500K increase in revenue doesn't help if it results in a 480K increase in costs...

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« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2023, 07:18:21 PM »
I figure I’d need to hit about $750k in revenue to equal my current salary, assuming a 20% profit rate, which imo is a little high. Probably closer to 12-15% is more realistic. We’re close to 500k in revenue for the year but we ramped up our business starting in June. Before June we only took smaller, lower paying jobs. 

I’m fairly confident we can hit $1 MM in revenue next year assuming I’m full time. 

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« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2023, 07:20:16 PM »
A 500K increase in revenue doesn't help if it results in a 480K increase in costs...
BART has it right. As we’ve increased our revenue our costs go up in unison. Which is why I need to be more involved in daily ops. 

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« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2023, 08:53:00 PM »
A 500K increase in revenue doesn't help if it results in a 480K increase in costs...
Well that's not the healthiest margin to quit your job over

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« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2023, 09:08:37 PM »
BART has it right. As we’ve increased our revenue our costs go up in unison. Which is why I need to be more involved in daily ops.
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« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2023, 09:13:40 PM »
beta rho alpha delta = Brad
Bart = beta alpha rho tau

Thanks Bart

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« Reply #64 on: November 08, 2023, 06:38:24 AM »
Thanks Bert.
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« Reply #65 on: November 08, 2023, 06:38:57 AM »
I don't mean this in a nosy way, but out of genuine curosity....you guys who started/own your own businesses, if you don't mind getting into it....what are they, specifically? 

I'm always curious to find out what needs people saw and what business they started in order to fill it, how they structured it, etc. 
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« Reply #66 on: November 08, 2023, 06:39:47 AM »
Some guy named Bert did it.

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« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2023, 11:23:36 AM »
beta rho alpha delta = Brad
Bart = beta alpha rho tau
My apologies Brad.  When I see your name my brain spells out Bart first, or Bert.  

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« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2023, 06:40:24 PM »
My side business is portions of pennies on the dollar of these other guys.
Drew has made it a reality with the website upkeep and what-not.  Hopefully, we'll be creating a good football game field apparatus that will sell well by itself.

I average about $10K gross and net $7500-8000 per year.

https://whoanelliecollegefootball.com/

I'd have to "bet on myself" to increase that.  I'm capped out as doing it on the side while teaching full-time. 
If I had time and an employee, I could expand it quite a bit, but no idea how much. 

The plus of keeping it small and on the side is I don't NEED a penny of the income and there is no pressure.
The plus of expanding it would be unknown additional monies, BUT pressure and risk.

Peanuts, for now and for the foreseeable future.

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« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2023, 07:15:40 PM »
My side business is portions of pennies on the dollar of these other guys.
Drew has made it a reality with the website upkeep and what-not.  Hopefully, we'll be creating a good football game field apparatus that will sell well by itself.

I average about $10K gross and net $7500-8000 per year.

https://whoanelliecollegefootball.com/

I'd have to "bet on myself" to increase that.  I'm capped out as doing it on the side while teaching full-time. 
If I had time and an employee, I could expand it quite a bit, but no idea how much. 

The plus of keeping it small and on the side is I don't NEED a penny of the income and there is no pressure.
The plus of expanding it would be unknown additional monies, BUT pressure and risk.

Peanuts, for now and for the foreseeable future.


Question: what do you think is your limit on growth? Potential market size, or lack of customer knowledge that your product exists? 

I don't know anything about the tabletop gaming market. Obviously we all know a little something about the hardcore CFB fan market. But I don't know how bit the Venn Diagram intersection of those two are... So consider all of the rest of this pure speculation...

My gut feeling is that your TAM (total addressable market) is very small. And probably not sustainable--if you exhaust that market, you might have a little bit of a longer-term business of expansion packs of more teams, but fewer total game sales once you've sold to all the core customer base. 

I could be wrong on that. It's a big world and maybe there's 100x of your current sales base out there that would buy your game if they knew it existed and you had the production capacity to meet it. I don't really know. 

So the question is, if you could you make the knowledge of the existence of your game more widespread (i.e. advertising), do you think it would cause demand to explode or do you think that the core market is so niche that it wouldn't really increase sales by enough to "bet on yourself"?

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The other question is how much you value that vs what you have... I.e. I get asked often about homebrewing, "so when do you think you're going to open a brewery?" Uhh... Never. It's backbreaking labor, will require me to find investors or go into a ton of debt, and the return is minimal unless you are able to grow and scale--which is hard in a crowded market. And I compare that to a nice white-collar desk job which pays me a ton of money...

And most importantly, it keeps my hobby my hobby. I'll bet I'd enjoy brewing a LOT less if it were my job. You might enjoy Whoa Nellie a lot less if it were your job. 

So while you sound a little down of late about your job, there's a certain value in having a school district job with a pension plan, a 10-month work year, and probably stellar medical benefits (speaking based on my wife's best friend who works for the Long Beach school district--she's got better benefits than my giant multinational corporation plan which is REALLY good)... Maybe these things aren't true in Arizona... Again, I don't know. But sometimes when you get into those situations, it makes sense to stick things out until you hit the benefit windows that open up, and then something like Whoa Nellie becomes a job you can do while you've got pension dollars rolling in...

 

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