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Topic: 2022-09-10 Stream of Consciousness

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Re: 2022-09-10 Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #210 on: September 11, 2022, 06:40:10 PM »
This is such a terrible rule.  The o-line has the advantage of knowing the snap count.  The d-line does not, so has always been able to counter that by jumping, but then getting back onsides, if the ball doesn't snap. As long as the defender doesn't touch anyone, it was okay, and that was a reasonable concession.

O-linemen were coached to have line discipline and only move on the snap of the ball.  If the defender did jump and hit you, that was fine, because then you got the benefit of the penalty yards.  I played o-line for years and gladly took plenty of hits from over-eager d-linemen who jumped offside and hit me.  Thanks for the free yards, mate.
agreed

O-line should hold their water
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Re: 2022-09-10 Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #211 on: September 12, 2022, 07:13:28 AM »
Watching the OSU Arkansas State recap. Something I've not seen before. When the AS QB would do a hard snap, pulling the aggressive OSU lineman into the neutral zone, multiple AS linemen would systematicly all 'flinch' the same way. The all would take a half step back, raise hands up then quickly move to accusing the defensive person from making them more. Multiple offensive lineman would react the same way like they were trained to false flinch to get the easy 5 yards. Two of the penalties the OSU lineman was moving back into place before the delayed flinch took place and got the penalty.

Has a rule changed? Are other schools employing this tactic? Or am I just living in an OSU bubble, and this has been the normal for a while now?
It's a tactic that offense is using to get a cheap 5 yards. This is a bad rule that I wish they would reverse. The offensive line knows the snap count. They have helmets and pads. If a D lineman jumps and makes contact, yes that should be a 5 yd penalty. However, this crap of "causing the o line to jump" is garbage. Again, they know the snap count and don't have to jump. Terrible rule. I have hated it since it was introduced. 

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Re: 2022-09-10 Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #212 on: September 12, 2022, 07:14:37 AM »
This is such a terrible rule.  The o-line has the advantage of knowing the snap count.  The d-line does not, so has always been able to counter that by jumping, but then getting back onsides, if the ball doesn't snap. As long as the defender doesn't touch anyone, it was okay, and that was a reasonable concession.

O-linemen were coached to have line discipline and only move on the snap of the ball.  If the defender did jump and hit you, that was fine, because then you got the benefit of the penalty yards.  I played o-line for years and gladly took plenty of hits from over-eager d-linemen who jumped offside and hit me.  Thanks for the free yards, mate.
LOL. Just now saw your response. I basically said the same thing.

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Re: 2022-09-10 Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #213 on: September 12, 2022, 10:04:13 AM »
It's a tactic that offense is using to get a cheap 5 yards. This is a bad rule that I wish they would reverse. The offensive line knows the snap count. They have helmets and pads. If a D lineman jumps and makes contact, yes that should be a 5 yd penalty. However, this crap of "causing the o line to jump" is garbage. Again, they know the snap count and don't have to jump. Terrible rule. I have hated it since it was introduced.
Amen brutha. :)



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Re: 2022-09-10 Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #214 on: September 12, 2022, 10:16:48 AM »
It's a tactic that offense is using to get a cheap 5 yards. This is a bad rule that I wish they would reverse. The offensive line knows the snap count. They have helmets and pads. If a D lineman jumps and makes contact, yes that should be a 5 yd penalty. However, this crap of "causing the o line to jump" is garbage. Again, they know the snap count and don't have to jump. Terrible rule. I have hated it since it was introduced.
Was it introduced? Or did teams just start taking advantage in a different way?

It strikes me as sort of an intractable issue. In some cases. A guy jumping across is going to make an offensive player jump. And even if it doesn’t and they just move, what do you do? Is that a false start? That doesn’t seem totally right. And If that happens, you’ll have defenses trying to bait it, teams having quick snap packages to take advantage, and that likely won’t be much better.

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Re: 2022-09-10 Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #215 on: September 12, 2022, 10:31:41 AM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: 2022-09-10 Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #216 on: September 12, 2022, 12:13:06 PM »
Usually week 2 of college football is one of the worst weeks of the season.  The ranked matchups are usually week 1, and it's filled with teams getting their cupcake win as a tuneup.  But this was one of the best weekends of college football I can remember.  Yes, partially because a few cupcakes rose up and got big wins, but also some decent matchups that went down to the wire.  TN-Pitt, TX-Bama, BYU-Baylor...great games all over the place.

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Re: 2022-09-10 Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #217 on: September 12, 2022, 12:41:46 PM »
Was it introduced? Or did teams just start taking advantage in a different way?

It strikes me as sort of an intractable issue. In some cases. A guy jumping across is going to make an offensive player jump. And even if it doesn’t and they just move, what do you do? Is that a false start? That doesn’t seem totally right. And If that happens, you’ll have defenses trying to bait it, teams having quick snap packages to take advantage, and that likely won’t be much better.
Yes, this rule was introduced within the last 20 years. 

Prior to this rule, if the O line jumped reacting to a defensive player entering the Neutral Zone, it was a false start. Again, the offensive player knows the snap count. If the defensive player made contact, that became a dead ball foul, offsides penalty on the defense. If the defensive player is in the NZ at the snap, that is a live ball foul of encroachment. 

 

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