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« Reply #3934 on: May 09, 2025, 02:34:33 PM »
Ah, the old steroid problem. Sigh.

Barry Bonds was a really good baseball player. Clemens and Rodriguez, too.

Did Pujols avoid the strong implication of steroid use?

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« Reply #3935 on: May 09, 2025, 02:50:03 PM »
I don't recall him being tied to that, but in that era, I'm skeptical of everyone.
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« Reply #3936 on: May 09, 2025, 09:59:29 PM »
Pujols' thing was a possible false age.  A $100 million deal at age 32 was bad enough, but if he was actually 34, it's even worse.
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« Reply #3937 on: May 10, 2025, 11:39:12 AM »
This makes my ranking of useless information.


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« Reply #3938 on: May 10, 2025, 12:02:43 PM »
It's amusing to me that Day, who was on the verge of being canned, if #4.  I'm not saying he doesn't merit whatever, it's just amusing.
I’m more of the opinion that the program makes the coach in Ohio States case. The question is, if you p.Uber Ryan Day into any other program, would he be nearly so successful?  I doubt it. 

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« Reply #3939 on: May 10, 2025, 12:49:52 PM »
I agree.  Is Smart the best coach in the country?  Or just a good coach at a program which should be elite by any metric?

I look at guys like Spurrier and Meyer who had remarkable successes at multiple programs, some of them far from elite.

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« Reply #3940 on: May 10, 2025, 02:04:22 PM »
I’m more of the opinion that the program makes the coach in Ohio States case. The question is, if you p.Uber Ryan Day into any other program, would he be nearly so successful?  I doubt it.
Yep.

Do it without a school that recruits itself, and without a $20+ Million roster.
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« Reply #3941 on: May 10, 2025, 02:04:57 PM »
I’m more of the opinion that the program makes the coach in Ohio States case. The question is, if you p.Uber Ryan Day into any other program, would he be nearly so successful?  I doubt it.
First off- I don’t think Day was ever on the verge of being canned.  Or even close.  His winning % is among the best of all time, and the coaches, players, families love the guy.

As far as “ the program makes the coach”—I see it the opposite in this new age. 

Not only do you have to know your Xs and Os and know how to recruit, develop and motivate players ( as a good coach always has had to do), you now have to be good at so many other things.
You basically have to be a CEO at these helmet schools.  You have to manage what is basically free agency with the transfer portal having multiple open windows,NIL With virtually no restrictions, Meetings with the media and managing media expectations, managing the collectives and other sources for NL money, And recruiting becomes a completely different and more complex game.
As we have seen, there are many coaches out there. They just can’t handle all of that. 
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« Reply #3942 on: May 10, 2025, 02:05:41 PM »
$20 Million covers a lot of warts.
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« Reply #3943 on: May 10, 2025, 02:06:22 PM »
$20 Million covers a lot of warts.
Yes, and apparently it covers more warts than 25 million or 30 million if you have a good coach.
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« Reply #3944 on: May 10, 2025, 02:13:13 PM »
I don't think anyone things Day is not a good coach. Is he great? That would have to be proven elsewhere. Would I take him at Wisconsin? Sure. Would I expect the same results, or even close? No way.
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« Reply #3945 on: May 10, 2025, 02:15:26 PM »
I don't think anyone things Day is not a good coach. Is he great? That would have to be proven elsewhere. Would I take him at Wisconsin? Sure. Would I expect the same results, or even close? No way.
And who would you expect to get the same results at Wisconsin?
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« Reply #3946 on: May 10, 2025, 02:17:11 PM »
Nobody of sane mind would expect the same results. The playing field was never level and it's now worse. I don't expect to see another Wisconsin football championship of any sort moving forward. It's a helmet sport, exclusively, now.
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« Reply #3947 on: May 10, 2025, 03:55:25 PM »
Nobody of sane mind would expect the same results. The playing field was never level and it's now worse. I don't expect to see another Wisconsin football championship of any sort moving forward. It's a helmet sport, exclusively, now.
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