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Cincydawg

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Re: Rankings ... ugh
« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2023, 02:14:35 PM »
I've posted about wine rankings before.  I even went through some training on how to rate wines using Parker's point scale.  Now, Parker forgot more about wine than I'll ever know, but his "system" to me is rather strange and anyone who chooses some wine because it got 92 points and another only got 90 is missing a point rather badly.  And anything he rates 95 and up almost certainly is tres cher and meant to be aged a while.  The other weird thing is he hardly ever goes below about 82, so really it's a 18 point scale and a point can be deducted because of clarity, for example.

My own ranking scale is simple and relates to whether I'd buy it again, and how much.  A really nice wine at a good price means I'd buy a case, that is a plus.

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UGH pour it out
OK but I wouldn't buy any
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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2023, 02:26:29 PM »
Back then most UT fans were wanting to see him at WR. That would have been stupid.

As for the benching, well, that's called motivation.

Huh?  Not a single UT fan I know wanted to see him play WR.  That was all an invention of the mediots trying to stir up shit, or the racist portions of rival fan bases implying he wasn't smart enough to play QB.  UT fans loved him at QB, and once he finally worked the wrinkles out of his game (you can also read that as, once Mack Brown finally let Vince be Vince), he disproved all of the mediots and the racists, too.

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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2023, 02:30:59 PM »
Yeah, the issue with a scale like that is that frankly anything below an 82 probably shouldn't even be marketed for sale. Unless he's giving 82s to Boone's Strawberry Farm stuff, which I'm guessing he deigns to be below him to even rate. 

The homebrew judging scale gives you a lot more room, because there are some things that will be submitted to a homebrew competition that are just flat out awful. It's a 50-point scale:


  • Outstanding (45 - 50): World-class example of style. 
  • Excellent (38 - 44): Exemplifies style well, requires minor fine-tuning. 
  • Very Good (30 - 37): Generally within style parameters, some minor flaws. 
  • Good (21 - 29): Misses the mark on style and/or minor flaws. 
  • Fair (14 - 20): Off flavors/aromas or major style deficiencies. Unpleasant. 
  • Problematic (00 - 13): Major off flavors and aromas dominate. Hard to drink.


Unless it's absolutely atrocious, judges are usually asked not to give anything 13 or below, because it's borderline cruel--although I'd argue it's borderline cruel to submit that to a judging lol. 

But you VERY rarely see anything 45 or higher. In fact, seeing anything above 40 means you've made a superb beer. I've placed in competitions or advanced to the second round in a national competition with scores in the high 30s. If you can get into the 30s at all, it means that it's a beer those judges would probably happily drink multiple pints of. 

What was interesting is that I did an experiment with another brewer where I brewed one large batch of a beer, and then we split it into two fermenters. I have fermentation temp control capability, and he did not. The goal was to identify using one single variable (temp control) and determine how important it was. We submitted to multiple guys from the homebrew club, some of whom were certified judges. The control (mine) had scores of 39, 40, 35, and 41. The non-controlled (his) from the same judges in order had scores of 32, 29, 26, and 36. I suspect they were judging a bit leniently, but it was stark to see how much a single variable changed it. 

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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2023, 02:40:03 PM »
Huh?  Not a single UT fan I know wanted to see him play WR.  That was all an invention of the mediots trying to stir up shit, or the racist portions of rival fan bases implying he wasn't smart enough to play QB.  UT fans loved him at QB, and once he finally worked the wrinkles out of his game (you can also read that as, once Mack Brown finally let Vince be Vince), he disproved all of the mediots and the racists, too.

The good UT fans like yourself, Burny, and Hooky said at the time it would be nuts to take the ball away from your best player. I remember you guys posting about this.

The media and casual fans did not take that position at all.
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« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2023, 02:52:35 PM »
The good UT fans like yourself, Burny, and Hooky said at the time it would be nuts to take the ball away from your best player. I remember you guys posting about this.

The media and casual fans did not take that position at all.
Casual fans didn't care one way or the other.  Like I said, the "Vince Young to WR" was an invention entirely of the mediots, and also a common message board talking point of racists in our rivals' fan bases.  The aggies actually nicknamed him "Radio" and commonly used that slur on their message boards.  Really upstanding folks, those guys...
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« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2023, 02:56:58 PM »
Anyway, I certainly agree with the overall point that Vince Young was an extremely talented guy, and I loved watching him play football.  I'll always cherish the 2005 season, but can't help but think about "what might have been" if he'd returned for his senior season.

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« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2023, 03:13:45 PM »
This score is achieved through a blind tasting, usually by sommeliers and experts, and consider factors such as:
  • Wine appearance
  • Aromas
  • Finish
  • Flavors
  • Balance
  • Aging

I was looking for the rating score card and couldn't find it, we had them for our "training".   I recall that "nose" was worth 5 points and then "bouquet" was also worth a separate 5 points.  The difference was explained but I forget now.  Clarity was 5 points.  So, a wine with an indifferent nose and bouquet and clarity could lose 3-4-5 points just on that alone.  Flavor was ten points, so maybe it hung a 10 on flavor, but got cut for rather ancillary reasons (clarity can be important).  I dimly recall aging meant whether it was worthy of aging.  That's a tough one, an expensive wine drunk too young can be rather harsh and tannic, maybe the pros can see through that for age worthiness.  But most of us buy a wine and drink it within a month or so, I have a few laid down for later, but not many.  And I tend to age them too long anyway because there never seems to be a time to drink such an expensive wine.

I did this for my 50th birthday, we opened a bottle of 1966 Lafite I had for years.  The cork disintegrated and the wine was past its prime.


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« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2023, 03:23:35 PM »
Yeah, the full BJCP scoresheet is available here: https://legacy.bjcp.org/docs/SCP_BeerScoreSheet.pdf

You can see it breaks it down into aroma / appearance / flavor / mouthfeel / overall, with different maximum points for each. Also has a section to note any particular flaws or off flavors. 

I actually started going through some of the judging curriculum with some of the guys, including the session that we had where you could experience off flavors--the BJCP offers a kit where you dose light beer with the key flavors so you know how to identify them. One of them, butyric acid, was only by aroma; the flavor/aroma descriptor is "baby vomit". 

But I never took the tests to become a registered judge. I realized if I did, then I'd have the local competitions constantly haranguing me to come judge on my weekends lol... 

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« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2023, 03:26:02 PM »
Butyric acid, or butanoic acid, in German is "butter sauer", which is what you smell in bad milk.

The worst thing I ever smelled was 1,4-butanedithiol, it would be a hellacious crowd control substance.

That four carbon chainlength often smells really bad.

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« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2023, 03:52:58 PM »
Anyway, I certainly agree with the overall point that Vince Young was an extremely talented guy, and I loved watching him play football.  I'll always cherish the 2005 season, but can't help but think about "what might have been" if he'd returned for his senior season.
I'm sure he does as well. Doesn't ever have to play for that windbag Jeff Fisher. Probably winds up going #1 or #2 in the next draft and plays for Oakland or Detroit. Nevermind. Lol. 

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« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2023, 08:26:42 PM »
So in '05, what changed for VY as a passer?  Did Brown just let go of the reins?  A 35 point passer rating bump is pretty massive.
All the way to the end of '04, he was kind of like a cheeser video game QB:  he was most effective as a scrambler and only passed really as a change-up.
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« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2023, 08:35:08 PM »
I'm too lazy to Google it but didn't the Texas coaches say they basically stopped trying to coach him?

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« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2023, 08:37:23 PM »
new WRs?  New TEs?  New o-coordinator?  new QB coach?

O-line pass pro improvement?
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« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2023, 09:09:07 PM »
Fun fact:  VY's best passing season was worse than Tebow's worst.
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I know this will seem silly, but a great comp for VY is Pat White.  To be fair to both, if I could be that effective running the ball (both at such volume and on a per-carry basis), I wouldn't worry about being a very good passer, either.  I really wouldn't.
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