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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2023, 04:52:27 AM »
I don't know where else to post this, but I don't think most people realize how amazing the top pass defenses are.
I may have posted something like this in the past, but maybe not.  The point is that it's not just the legendary ones (97 UM, 11 Bama, but the top pass defenses in any given year.
Just look at some of these:

1999 KSU
37% comp, 5 TDs allowed, 21 INTs
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2005 Nebraska
51% comp, 10 TDs, 32 INTs
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2012 Boise State
Allowed only 4 TDs and nabbed 18 INTs
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Idk, it's just pretty nuts.  That is all.
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2023, 06:23:36 AM »
Maybe those teams were so easy to run on not many attempted passes.
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2023, 09:55:51 AM »
1999 K-St 11-1
2005 UNL 8-4   I have the defense at 13 INTs givin up 13 TDs
2012 Boise 11-2
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2023, 03:41:19 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 26, 2023, 06:23:36 AM
Maybe those teams were so easy to run on not many attempted passes.
Enough pass attempts to throw ~20 INTs is plenty, lol
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2023, 03:44:34 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 26, 2023, 09:55:51 AM
1999 K-St 11-1
2005 UNL 8-4  I have the defense at 13 INTs givin up 13 TDs
2012 Boise 11-2
They obviously were overall good teams, and the PD is definitely impressive.  A 37% completion rate is remarkable.
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« Reply #75 on: March 26, 2023, 04:21:25 PM »
this isn't the 70s any longer

pass defense probably more important than run defense
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2023, 04:24:20 PM »
Most SEC teams try and stop/limit the run to make the opponent 1-D as a going in strategy, at least historically.  I don't think any try and stop the pass today as a priority over the run.  If you can change the opponent's game plan because he can't run the ball well, you're halfway home.  Or at least that is what I hear.
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« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2023, 04:31:38 PM »
yup, most college QBs aren't good enough to beat you with their arm if you know it's coming

Pelini used to play rather soft in the run game and get the offense a couple 4 yard runs, knowing they would still throw the ball on 3rd and 2.
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« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2023, 06:44:21 PM »
One recent thing I find very interesting is UGA's defense under Smart.
Usually, for a defense to be great, you'd think they have a ton of sacks or a ton of INTs or both, probably because they either blitz a lot or drop 8, whatever.  
Looking at other recent great defenses, this is normally the case.
But with UGA, they don't have that many sacks OR INTs.....yet they have great defenses.  I sort of compare it to a baseball player that draws a lot of walks, but doesn't hit for much power.  They lack the traditional threat for pitchers to avoid the strike zone, yet still draw lots of walks.  Their batting eye is that good.
UGA's elite defenses lacking tons of sacks or INTs is just a case of being that good.  Yes, they're great at run defense, so they probably still make that a priority, yet it doesn't come at the expense of pass D.
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Just interesting and impressive.
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2023, 06:05:34 AM »
The UGA Ds of late have been superior in/near the red zone.  I have often fretted that another team drives down the field but then they often stall out or fumble or miss FG or make FG.  And yes, they have been tough to run on generally, though LSU and OSU showed how they could be passed on.  I thought it was a bit odd how often they played "zero" against Tennessee with single coverage and didn't do that as much against other teams, and they had six sacks against the Vols I think.  I thought Hooker (Vol QB) often held the ball too long, he should have spotted or had a hot route, but didn't seem to.

The UGA offense gets overlooked as well.

But if you view allowing a FG as a "win" of sorts, you can limit the other team quite effectively, bend ...
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« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2023, 02:09:23 PM »
FGs are funny, because it's points, and points are good....but if a team kicks 3 or 4 of them w/o any TDs, they'll start getting frustrated and start going for it on 4th down when they shouldn't.  
Anyone who's ever been up 15-7 knows what I'm talking about:  5 scores to 1, but still a 1-possession game.
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2023, 02:11:19 PM »
the only time you shouldn't go for it on 4th down is when you don't convert
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2023, 02:14:20 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 27, 2023, 02:11:19 PM
the only time you shouldn't go for it on 4th down is when you don't convert
Thank you Yogi!
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2023, 02:26:30 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 27, 2023, 02:09:23 PM
FGs are funny, because it's points, and points are good....but if a team kicks 3 or 4 of them w/o any TDs, they'll start getting frustrated and start going for it on 4th down when they shouldn't. 
Anyone who's ever been up 15-7 knows what I'm talking about:  5 scores to 1, but still a 1-possession game.
I know this is only anecdotal but how many games can you think of where kicking a bunch of FG's ended well?

For my team, I can think of one, mid-2000's Marshall
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It was NCST in 2004 (The Buckeyes played Marshall the following week so I was pretty close). Anyway, against NCST in 2004 the Buckeyes scored one TD and kicked five FG's and won 22-14. It wasn't really THAT close. NCST's first TD was mid-way through the third quarter and made it 16-7 so still a two-score game. Their second TD came with <2 minutes left to make it a one-score game at 22-14 but they'd have needed an onside kick, a TD, and a 2pt conversion just to get to OT.

The other way? I can think of a bunch of games where Ohio State was dominating (at least between the 20's) but being held to FG's and ended up losing because their FG's didn't add up to an insurmountable lead like TD's would have. 
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