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Topic: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019

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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2019, 07:37:50 PM »
good list

I'd swap Nebraska and Oklahoma
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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2019, 09:36:41 PM »
Oklahoma's .353 is sort of a special case.

Gary Gibbs succeeded Barry Switzer.  He had played for Switzer and was a coach for him at OU.  He righted the ship, which Switzer left under probation.  And he had a decent record (44-23-2, .652), but he was fired because he went 2-15-1 against Texas, Nebraska, and Colorado.  Then Howard Schellenberger was hired, and fired after one year (5-5-1, .500).  At that point, OU hired  John Blake, who had played at OU under Barry Switzer, was then coaching for Switzer at Dallas, and was hired on Switzer's recommendation.  (I believe he was dismissed from Dallas right before getting hired at OU.  He had complained to Switzer that Troy Aikman was a racist who treated his black teammates differently than he did his white teammates.  The black players all supported Aikman against Blake.)  The idea was that he was a great recruiter, and if he would hire a good OC and DC, he could let them make the major decisions.  Then when it was immediately apparent that he was going to fail despite the good coordinators' work, firing him got tied up with the racial angle.  So he got three years to prove himself incompetent (12-22, .353).  On the way out the door, he instigated racial unrest within the program that caused several black players to quit, and he destroyed all the recruiting files so that Bob Stoops would have to start from scratch.

He then went on to be a dirty recruiter, as I'm sure he was at OU, for Mississippi State, Nebraska and North Carolina.  He helped get North Carolina on probation for recruiting violations, costing Butch Davis (his H.S. coach and science teacher at Sand Springs, OK) his job with the Tarheels in the process.

I'm sure there are comparable examples at other schools.  Sometimes programs just put up with a failing coach, or give him more time to fail, because of extenuating circumstances.
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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2019, 10:45:16 PM »
Yeah, it' a strong group of programs, and someone had to be at the bottom.
I view OU and Texas as sister programs, as OU gets all the players it wants from Texas, there might as well not be a border there (plus the state of OK not producing a ton of talent, population-wise).  But also, OU is better at being Texas than Texas is, as if OU was the in-talent-state school and UTA was the border-pillaging state, if that makes any sense.
I guess all of that ignores A&M and the fact TX has supported anywhere from 4-9 P5-level programs over the years.  
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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2019, 11:01:30 PM »
That's an interesting way of looking at it.

Here's another way.  I see OU and Texas as somewhat analogous to Ohio State and Michigan.  The "blue-bloodedness" of Texas and Michigan goes back further than it does with OU and Ohio State, with OU and Ohio State having more success recently.

Not a perfect analogy by any means.  Ohio State and Texas are both located in their respective state capitals, while Michigan and OU are located in college towns, for example.
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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2019, 11:09:30 PM »
Ehhh, Columbus is the largest city in Ohio.  



Another Texas tidbit - you gotta give them credit - they're signed on for home&homes with LSU, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida in the coming decade.  I think it's smart, too, and a jab at A&M, to be playing games in SEC country, for recruiting purposes.  
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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2019, 12:13:38 AM »
Austin, while "only" the 4th-largest city in Texas, is still a very large city, the 11th-largest in the country.  Not that it matters to my point in my previous post.

OU and UT have locked in similar OOC schedules for the next 15 years or so.

OU plays home-and-home series vs. Tennessee, LSU, Bama, Georgia, Michigan, and Clemson, plus 2 home-and-home series with Nebraska.

UT plays LSU and Arkansas (2nd game of home-and-home series, I think), home-and-home series vs. Bama, Michigan, Ohio State, Georgia, Florida, and Arizona State.

Whether this has anything to do with future realignment issues, I have no clue.
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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2019, 01:32:16 PM »
Has Texas scheduled tougher OOC since dropping the A&M rivalry?  I feel like Georgia has somewhat upped their OOC scheduling as GA Tech has become less and less relevant. 
Personally, I want FSU to go 0-12 every season, but if they did, I'd expect Florida to schedule a new tough out every year.
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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2019, 01:48:24 PM »
I mean, A&M was a conference game, so they just traded that for TCU basically. It seems like Texas was good not great with UCLA/OSU series, plus old SWC games with Arkansas and sometimes TCU, some North Carolina, Stanford NC State and I guess a Rutgers.

Since losing A&M, it’s Cal, UCLA, ND neutral, Maryland and USC. So sorta a push.

Georgia has usually gone strong, at least since Richt arrived (it’s a little less clear in the 3 non-conf game era). Lot of Clemson’s, Good Boise, Ok State. Since Tech’s last Top-10 team, you had Clemson, UNC (neutral), ND, and two years with no marquee name.

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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2019, 02:41:08 PM »
I think USC would be hard to beat: metropolitan area, commitment from the school and fan base, rich recruiting base, history to match, and it's the biggest dog in the yard.

After that, Texas seems pretty cool (Austin is awesome). I would think Atlanta would be a better spot than Tuscaloosa, but if you're a college football guy, probably the history/tradition at Alabama is more important.

One spot this list got really wrong is UCLA. UCLA has had next to no commitment from the university for the last decade+. That makes it very difficult to compete. There's a reason the Bruins haven't been very good for a while.

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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2019, 03:13:27 PM »
UCLA has a nice stadium. 4 hours away and all that.
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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2019, 03:35:08 PM »
I think USC would be hard to beat: metropolitan area, commitment from the school and fan base, rich recruiting base, history to match, and it's the biggest dog in the yard.
The only thing that might give me pause is that it's not the biggest dog in the yard anymore, due to the Rams and [spit]Chargers[/spit].

For a long time, people gravitated to USC here because it had the sort of widespread support that a pro team would have. A lot of people with no connection to the school were "USC fans" because they were it for local football. Now they're just USC.

I expect it'll take 5 years, but I think the local support for USC football will wane significantly relative to pros, which is something you don't have in a place like 'Bama.

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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2019, 03:45:57 PM »
You know LA better than me, but my impression is that the alumni base and local fans have been strong enough to support the Trojans throughout their history. But it's true, there is more to compete with in LA than in Tuscaloosa.

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« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2019, 04:04:00 PM »

That's the one big unknown about FSU and PSU for me - Bowden and Paterno were there so long, I'm not sure what those programs really are.  Fisher won a NC, but he inherited the program directly from Bowden.  4-5 coaches from now, what will FSU and Penn St even be?

This is always what I wonder about those two schools.  The biggest name coach is such a big name that it is hard to tell if the program can be top-tier without that one guy. 

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Re: Ranking All 130 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2019
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2019, 04:04:49 PM »
Ehhh, Columbus is the largest city in Ohio. 

It is, but that is somewhat misleading when you look at metro areas.  Cleveland is the largest there, followed by Cincy, then Columbus. 

 

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