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Topic: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)

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bwarbiany

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2019, 03:47:25 PM »
so yer saying he won the close ones?
About 3 a year, sure... 

Actually, what is sorta interesting is that he seemed to do better in conference than outside of it. Part of that is with only 3 OOC games per year, strangely we played Washington 4 years in a row during his tenure along with the annual game with Notre Dame (he lost every one of both matchups). 

But if you look at his record against rivals at Texas getting him fired, and realize he was 0-4 against ND and 1-3 against IU at Purdue, I suppose it's no surprise he wasn't kept. 

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2019, 07:50:12 PM »
We all know Rick Leach was a great UM player from the 70s.  And I guess he came up soon after true FR were allowed to play, and Bo played him.  Ho-hum, right?  
Well Leach, who would eventually (even that very next year) become a great player, sucked horribly as a FR QB.  No, option QBs weren't good passers back then, but Leach was especially bad.  
32 completions in exactly 100 attempts (32%) for 3 TD and 12 INT.  Putrid.

But also true, UM didn't have a lost season.  Armed with 2 RBs going over 1,000 yards and a salty defense, the Wolverines were 8-0-2 and ranked 4th by the time the big game rolled around.  Was this some sort of coaching magic by Shembechler or just luck?  The teams UM tied were unranked, so those weren't great outcomes.  

It makes sense to play a talented youngster for future payoff, but to do that at QB and have him play so badly AND still be in the NC hunt in late November was remarkable.
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2019, 07:55:57 PM »
the beauty of the offense

QB arm talent, WR talent, not needed

but even then, those numbers are brutal
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #83 on: June 10, 2019, 08:50:59 AM »
Take 20 QBs, and we find that 5 "won the close ones", 5 lost them, and the rest were 2-1 or 1-2.  Does that mean the guys who won are anything but a statistical thing?

If we presume you have a 50-50 chance to "win the close ones", one would expect a "normal distribution" by random chance unrelated to any attribute by the QB.

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2019, 08:16:56 PM »
Of course.  QBs are given an inordinate amount of the blame and the credit.  They're ranked by how many Super Bowls they've won - in a sport in which there are 22 moving parts on every play.  When you tell those who rank QBs as such that they are idiotic, they don't seem to understand why.

Trent Dilfer won a SB.  Marino didn't.  Montana won 4, but he had a special HC and was throwing to, statistically, the best player in NFL history.  Who here doesn't think Steve Young could have won those SBs?  On the downturn of his career, Elway went from non-SB winner to SB winner.  In his 30s, as his productivity was decreasing, did he magically become a better all-time QB?  Or might the 2,000 yard rusher lined up behind him have something to do with it?

Ugh, I should stop now.  I could go forever on this, and go even further down the rabbit hole to the issue of arm talent....
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