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Topic: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2019, 10:55:35 AM »
There wasn't any penalties at Clemson until '82, after Pell had left and after their national title. 
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2019, 11:00:55 AM »
perhaps he was told by administration he couldn't cheat any longer there?
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2019, 11:22:14 AM »
perhaps he was told by administration he couldn't cheat any longer there?
But wouldn't they have self-reported, as all guilty parties do?  lol
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2019, 06:06:51 PM »
maybe, but this was a few decades ago
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #74 on: May 05, 2019, 11:32:32 PM »
I attended this abomination, Iowa @ Wisconsin 2017, Wisc. 38 - Iowa 14: Would have been worse, but Joshua Jackson for Iowa had two pick sixes.

Iowa Offense, total yards 66; the previous week Iowa defeated Ohio State 55-24. The next week the offense couldn't open the door getting out of a phone booth.:

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26 Carries for 25 yards

Iowa Passing:

8/24/1 for 41 yards

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2019, 09:57:17 AM »
that's back when the Badgers played defense
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« Reply #76 on: May 12, 2019, 10:52:15 PM »
I was cutting some 80s team cards for my game, and when you think Texas, it seems to always be Darrell Royal this and that.  And we know what Mack Brown did.  But I hope Fred Akers isn't lost to time.  He had a lot of very good teams for the Horns.
He had a pretty meteoric rise - 2-9 his first year at Wyoming, he turns them around to 8-4 the next year and WHAM, he gets the Texas job and sort of falls into having Earl Campbell.  11-1 his first year in Austin.  Wow, this coaching thing is easy!  He had 3 one-loss seasons in seven years, but was let go after his first sub-.500 season. 
Looks like he was like John Cooper at OSU:  in the end, he couldn't beat OU, A&M, or his bowl game.

His best teams were epic on defense, with just enough offense.  
One more thing - his hiring at Purdue caused Jeff George to transfer to Illinois.  I hadn't known George had signed with PU.


Just thought I'd put it out there.
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2019, 01:22:01 PM »
I thought Fred Akers got a raw deal, but as you pointed out, ultimately he was losing too much to OU and A&M.  The bowl losses were painful as well, I recall a terrible loss to Iowa in the Freedom Bowl toward the end of his coaching tenure at Texas, I think it was 55-17.  Pretty sure his next year was his final year and the bad taste from that bowl game got the ball rolling.

Loved those late 70s/early 80s defenses, though.

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« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2019, 01:44:39 PM »
I wasn't really following football during the Akers years at Purdue, but it appears he was basically Hazell-level terrible. 

Which isn't all that surprising. He decided to take his style of football (ball-control running game) to a team that didn't have the talent to run that style of offense against teams regularly fielding higher-rated players at every position in the 2-deeps. 

I just did a quick count (I could be off by one here), but of his 31 losses in 4 years as Purdue's head coach, 27 of them were by double-digits. 

Ugly.

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2019, 02:31:21 PM »
so yer saying he won the close ones?
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2019, 03:47:25 PM »
so yer saying he won the close ones?
About 3 a year, sure... 

Actually, what is sorta interesting is that he seemed to do better in conference than outside of it. Part of that is with only 3 OOC games per year, strangely we played Washington 4 years in a row during his tenure along with the annual game with Notre Dame (he lost every one of both matchups). 

But if you look at his record against rivals at Texas getting him fired, and realize he was 0-4 against ND and 1-3 against IU at Purdue, I suppose it's no surprise he wasn't kept. 

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2019, 07:50:12 PM »
We all know Rick Leach was a great UM player from the 70s.  And I guess he came up soon after true FR were allowed to play, and Bo played him.  Ho-hum, right?  
Well Leach, who would eventually (even that very next year) become a great player, sucked horribly as a FR QB.  No, option QBs weren't good passers back then, but Leach was especially bad.  
32 completions in exactly 100 attempts (32%) for 3 TD and 12 INT.  Putrid.

But also true, UM didn't have a lost season.  Armed with 2 RBs going over 1,000 yards and a salty defense, the Wolverines were 8-0-2 and ranked 4th by the time the big game rolled around.  Was this some sort of coaching magic by Shembechler or just luck?  The teams UM tied were unranked, so those weren't great outcomes.  

It makes sense to play a talented youngster for future payoff, but to do that at QB and have him play so badly AND still be in the NC hunt in late November was remarkable.
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2019, 07:55:57 PM »
the beauty of the offense

QB arm talent, WR talent, not needed

but even then, those numbers are brutal
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #83 on: June 10, 2019, 08:50:59 AM »
Take 20 QBs, and we find that 5 "won the close ones", 5 lost them, and the rest were 2-1 or 1-2.  Does that mean the guys who won are anything but a statistical thing?

If we presume you have a 50-50 chance to "win the close ones", one would expect a "normal distribution" by random chance unrelated to any attribute by the QB.

 

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