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Topic: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2018, 05:17:35 PM »
leadership = luck
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2018, 09:49:09 AM »
How on earth did the 2000 Warshington Huskies go 11-1???




Won the Rose Bowl
Gave two teams their only loss of the season
QB finished 8th in the Heisman voting, but had a really bad season
20th in scoring offense, 46th in scoring defense, but went 11-1




What caught my eye was how poor QB Tuiasosopo's season was.  I remember him as a good runner and good-enough passer.  His 8th place finish for the Heisman mirrored my memory of him.  But he was awful.
52.6% completion percentage
14 TD, 11 INT
putrid 115.9 rating
awful yards per attempt (6.6)
So he had a high volume, throwing a lot of passes without much payoff.  
Fine, his strength was as a runner, right?  He must have had 1,000 yards on the ground, or something near that, right?
394 yards rushing
Hmmmph.  Good yards per carry average?
3.1
Shit.  So the guy with the godawful passer rating was also an unproductive, marginal-at-best runner.  Then how in the hell was he 8th in the Heisman???  How did Washington finish 11-1????  And against the 4th toughest schedule that year?!?!?
"Leadership", I guess.  Lots and lots of articles touting leadership.  Ugh.
Washington didn't have a great defense.  Didn't have a good turnover ratio.  Hell, they only picked off 6 passes all year.  Didn't have any return TDs.  Kicker wasn't great.  Punter stunk.  Didn't have a lot of sacks.  What in the hell?
They beat Miami?  They beat Miami.  Miami, with Dorsey, Portis, Wayne, Moss, Shockley, Reed, Buchanan, Morgan....wtf???
Okay, that's one game, fine.  Upsets happen, great.  
They beat Oregon State.  11-1 Oregon State.  Best Oregon State team ever, Oregon State.  With 1500 yard rusher Simonton, Chad Jackson, and TJ Housmansomething?  wtf?




Aside from the close Miami win, UW had 5 other one-score victories.  None of those teams finished above .500.  They played to their opponent's level, I guess.  The numbers say they should have gone 8-4.  I guess the guy who couldn't pass and was an ineffective runner "led" them to 3 more wins than they should have gotten.



Meh, I don't care, it's just interesting to me.  
I find it interesting too.  I definitely would have thought Tuiasosopo had better numbers than that

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2018, 02:51:50 PM »
Every QB recruit the Gators signed from 2010-2014 (5 years, 7 players) transferred away from Florida.  Yes, that will cause a downturn in a program, even if it's coached by Nick Saban or Vince Lombardi.
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2018, 07:31:35 PM »
Well, UConn did it:  allowed the most points per game on defense...ever.  55.7 points allowed per game
Yes, they had a defensive coordinator and everything.
UConn's defense only produced 5 scoreless quarters all season.  In the only game they had two scoreless quarters, they still allowed 49 points in the game overall.
Conversely, they allowed 20+ points in 9 different quarters this year.



UConn's only win of the season was vs FCS Rhode Island, in which they allowed 49 points.
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2018, 07:46:16 PM »
Every QB recruit the Gators signed from 2010-2014 (5 years, 7 players) transferred away from Florida.  Yes, that will cause a downturn in a program, even if it's coached by Nick Saban or Vince Lombardi.
the downturn occurred whe Meyer left and the following coaches didn't stay
Saban or Lombardi or Spurrier or Mayer won enough games to stay and keep the recruits on the roster

but, you knew this.............
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2018, 12:46:25 AM »
Right, but most any program has had a worse run than Florida did from '10-'14, and still, this unprecedented thing occurred.  The specificity of it is the amazing thing.



Not just the backup not getting playing time decides to transfer, the guy who started 20 games leaves, too.  And the guy who never played and the guy who was doing well, but got in trouble.  And the backup for the guy who left who is now getting playing time, he leaves, too.

Everyone.  Total.  Gone.
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2018, 10:40:22 AM »
it's strange

about 50% of all recruits never see the field for more than a few meaningless snaps, but that is an oddity
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2018, 11:51:39 AM »
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2018, 06:26:00 AM »
Right, but most any program has had a worse run than Florida did from '10-'14, and still, this unprecedented thing occurred.  The specificity of it is the amazing thing.



Not just the backup not getting playing time decides to transfer, the guy who started 20 games leaves, too.  And the guy who never played and the guy who was doing well, but got in trouble.  And the backup for the guy who left who is now getting playing time, he leaves, too.

Everyone.  Total.  Gone.
I’m not sure what part is more notable, the oddities on the margins or the sort of natural churn. 
Driskel being a young starter, then hurt, then semi-ruined by the program was odd, as was Greir and PEDs.
At least one or two others were trapped under Driskel. Harris was just not very good. The rest were just usual churn. 
In either case, a majestic run of non-QB development, which has kind continued to this day (I liked what they god front Franks, all things considered, but wouldn’t call him developed) 

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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2018, 08:21:59 AM »
Now the additional twist to all of this was the transfers - Del Rio and Appleby.  In both 2016 and 2017, when the HC decided to go with a different starter at QB, that new starter was immediately hurt.  So in consecutive years, due to dumb bad luck, the program told a kid "you're not good enough to help us win" and had to turn around to then say "please help us win anyway".  




Franks would be perfectly fine if this was his first year as a starter.  If he had been sitting and developing and this year was his first experience, given the same age, you'd think, "hey, this guy will be alright".  But since we saw him struggle so mightily last year, everyone shits on him.  
He may be perfectly fine and just didn't get any useful coaching until this year.  His stats were good, and like almost everyone, worse vs quality opponents.  People would accept him as a game-manager type, except that he's huge and fast and occasionally shows off his cannon for an arm...so he's simply a kid that isn't reaching his potential and likely won't.  The long TD throw vs UGA this year was sick.  But his first INT in the same game was a WTF moment as well.
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2018, 01:52:18 PM »
I'm watching Penn State @ Miami in 1991.  
1 - They need to AI-robot-NASA-tech a way to have Keith Jackson call every game going forward, forever
2 - They specified the PSU punter had 9 career punts blocked.  Not something you see cited very often.
3 - Carlos Huerta did, indeed, kick for the Canes from when I was about 6 years old until I was 22.

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I wonder what the record is.  
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2018, 12:16:44 AM »
Random discovery:

In 1989, Houston was led by Heisman Trophy winner Andre Ware.  We all know that.  But that same year, his running back, Chuck Weatherspoon, set the all-time yards-per-carry record, at 9.6.  It's still the record for a ball-carrier with over 100 carries.  He was Houston's main ball-carrier and their #1 punt returner.  He actually led the country in number of punt returns.  Okay, okay, let me get to the point:


Chuck Weatherspoon had a higher yards per carry average than a punt return average.  That's got to be the only time this is the case for:
1 - the #1 RB of a team, who is also
2 - the #1 PR of that team




Amazing!  
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2018, 11:49:13 AM »
should have been the #2 punt returner

obviously
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Re: Random Revelations (college football stats & stuff)
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2018, 12:07:24 PM »
The guy had two seasons of 1,000+ yards rushing with under 120 carries.....and a third 1,000 yard season with fewer than 160 carries.  That was some offense and/or he was some player.
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