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OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2018, 12:01:55 AM »

If 2012 OSU played 2015 OSU, who would be favored?

bayareabadger · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2018, 01:43:51 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 21, 2018, 12:01:55 AM

If 2012 OSU played 2015 OSU, who would be favored?

Per Sagarin, 2015 by 7.5
Per S&P, 2015 by 9 (I think)

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2018, 09:36:45 AM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on June 21, 2018, 01:43:51 AM

Per Sagarin, 2015 by 7.5
Per S&P, 2015 by 9 (I think)

That 2015 team, IMHO, was a great team. In their one and only loss they played a horrible game in a monsoon against a very good opponent and still only barely lost.
One of the realities of CFB (and sports in general but moreso with CFB due to limited games/opportunities) is that there is a LOT of luck involved. If that team had lost to just about any other opponent they would still have gotten to the B1GCG where they would have been a huge favorite over Iowa and in the CFP I think they would have had a much better chance than MSU.
Luck cuts both ways. The 2014 team was lucky that 12-1 was good enough to get in that year. They were also (at least IMHO) lucky that the backup QB had to play, etc. The 2015 team just had a bad day on the wrong weekend.

ELA · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2018, 09:43:58 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 21, 2018, 09:36:45 AM

That 2015 team, IMHO, was a great team. In their one and only loss they played a horrible game in a monsoon against a very good opponent and still only barely lost.
One of the realities of CFB (and sports in general but moreso with CFB due to limited games/opportunities) is that there is a LOT of luck involved. If that team had lost to just about any other opponent they would still have gotten to the B1GCG where they would have been a huge favorite over Iowa and in the CFP I think they would have had a much better chance than MSU.
Luck cuts both ways. The 2014 team was lucky that 12-1 was good enough to get in that year. They were also (at least IMHO) lucky that the backup QB had to play, etc. The 2015 team just had a bad day on the wrong weekend.

But MSU was running a backup QB out there, and we saw in 2016 just how "good" the QBs they had to use that game were. J.T. Barrett may have played his best game ever against MSU in 2014, but I think he played just about his worst in 2015. MSU with O'Conner/Terry running the show the following year went 3-9, with their best win being over a 4-8 team. That wasn't luck so much as Barrett played like absolute horse manure. The only reason that game was even close was because OSU scored their 14 points off two MSU turnovers at their own 30 and own 6. OSU only ran like 40 plays that game IIRC. They had more punts than first downs.

I do agree OSU would have had a much better shot against Alabama though. Once Cook was hurt, their offense went to complete shit that year. They barely had enough to beat Iowa with no downfield passing game, but they sure as hell weren't going to even attempt to challenge Bama that way.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 21, 2018, 02:54:01 PM »

Quote from: ELA on June 21, 2018, 09:43:58 AM

But MSU was running a backup QB out there, and we saw in 2016 just how "good" the QBs they had to use that game were. J.T. Barrett may have played his best game ever against MSU in 2014, but I think he played just about his worst in 2015. MSU with O'Conner/Terry running the show the following year went 3-9, with their best win being over a 4-8 team. That wasn't luck so much as Barrett played like absolute horse manure. The only reason that game was even close was because OSU scored their 14 points off two MSU turnovers at their own 30 and own 6. OSU only ran like 40 plays that game IIRC. They had more punts than first downs.

I do agree OSU would have had a much better shot against Alabama though. Once Cook was hurt, their offense went to complete shit that year. They barely had enough to beat Iowa with no downfield passing game, but they sure as hell weren't going to even attempt to challenge Bama that way.

I didn't mean my comment to disparage MSU. Certainly the Spartans had something to do with Barrett's "horse manure" game. The "luck" part, to me is timing. Against probably eight of tOSU's opponents that year the Buckeyes could have won in spite of that bad of a game by Barrett. Even against the rest it wouldn't have mattered except THAT game or Michigan*.
*It mattered in THAT game because it gave MSU the tiebreaker, same would have applied vis-a-vis Michigan. Otherwise it wouldn't have mattered.

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