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Re: Presentation-cutting- Boards
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2020, 02:49:31 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2020, 05:03:50 PM »
Drew, what would a rough cost be for something in the 18x24" or 18x30" size? Probably a design somewhat similar to the B&D design.

Something most likely either with 6 inset letters for their last name, or a big "R" inset with CNC milled or resin-filled remaining letters...
I'd still make it work for less than or equal to $200 for a 30" board.  Honestly, the biggest issue I'd face with it would be finding suitable woods to work with.... now, i can easily do the 'quilt' thing and piece it together- and have... such is the only way to do a chopping block... and inset or inlay, it doesn't matter to me whichever or both- the thing about inlay's is it has to be fairly sizable so it doesn't break easily, and the font sets are limited due to overlapping/intersecting lines..  Notice on the B&D board the inset letters- they're maple... the rest of the letters are maple dusted resin- which in person adds a cool holographic effect but is hard to see in the pictures.... for smaller letters like those, I greatly prefer resin-set... 




and here is another example of a combo inset-resin.... (this was a b-day gift for a guys mom... he literally calls her either mommy or "precious perfect mommy lane" which is fine, i guess, but the context of it is..... creepy as hell.)




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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2020, 05:29:47 PM »
I'd like one. Black walnut?
yessir... I have a fair amount of Black Walnut, all heart wood (dark chocolate colored)... 

I use it a LOT in these boards... and I find it blends really well with African Sapele (one of six or so faux 'mahogany' woods) which I also have an fair amount of.... all ribbon cut.

there is this:  Both Black Walnut and Sapele are considered "toxic"- they are known (especially Sapele) to blister or cause rash on skin, you really don't want to inhale the dust, and you really don't want to eat it, apparently... it's not poisonous, but it will....... open you up, let's say politely. 

These boards are highly finished- smooth as silk.... they've been sanded from 35 grit to 1200 grit, and then 2400# steel wool'd... then, they're oiled and allowed to absorb the oil until it rejects it (which is wiped off).  then, I'll use a microfiber towel with some considerable pressure and a block to both 'check' for snags and to further finish them.... then... they're waxed and polished with a food safe wax and an orbital buffer- to basically fill any small (like, really tiny) gaps.  there is a dull sheen to them before and after the wax, and there is a very small opportunity there would be any particulates (from wood) being transferred to food... and i say this for cutting on them as well... the opportunity for you to ingest any of the board is silly small, so if you hear someone talking about that just smile and tell them 'got it'. 

Black walnut is just over 1k on the janka scale of hardness... and it has tight pores disallowing absorbing things that a wood like Oak would gobble right down.... African Sapele is 1500 on the same scale- tougher than curly rock (hard) maple but just shy of Hickory/Pecan (which are in all accounts the same, and come in at just over 1800).  I try to stay under anything over the hardness of Hickory/Pecan as it is HELL on tools... I've worked with purple heart (authentic- @Cincydawg has seen it) that ruined a blade on a bandsaw on one pass.. it's something just shy of 2500 on the janka scale.   

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Re: Presentation-cutting- Boards
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2020, 05:36:48 PM »
I really like the multiwood layered types.  Give me your address by PM.

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Re: Presentation-cutting- Boards
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2020, 05:50:58 PM »
I'd still make it work for less than or equal to $200 for a 30" board.  Honestly, the biggest issue I'd face with it would be finding suitable woods to work with.... now, i can easily do the 'quilt' thing and piece it together- and have... such is the only way to do a chopping block... and inset or inlay, it doesn't matter to me whichever or both- the thing about inlay's is it has to be fairly sizable so it doesn't break easily, and the font sets are limited due to overlapping/intersecting lines..  Notice on the B&D board the inset letters- they're maple... the rest of the letters are maple dusted resin- which in person adds a cool holographic effect but is hard to see in the pictures.... for smaller letters like those, I greatly prefer resin-set...




and here is another example of a combo inset-resin.... (this was a b-day gift for a guys mom... he literally calls her either mommy or "precious perfect mommy lane" which is fine, i guess, but the context of it is..... creepy as hell.)


So... Let's say that this is someone who will cut on the nice face of it. It'll be for my in-laws, who are older, and for a board of that size I'm not sure they'll be regularly flipping it over to cut on the back side instead of the front. 

So the first thing is that my wife said we shouldn't go larger than 18x24. 

But the second portion would be that if someone is cutting on the decorated face, is there a preference between using inlays, resin, etc? Is one more likely to hold up better under actual use? 

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2020, 06:17:26 PM »


The resin has a quality like the old lead glass... remember that stuff?  It "falls"... i rented a business space in the downtown area of a small town that was nearing 100 years old... the glass in the windows "breathed"... the (original) glass had fallen to the base of the frame and was every bit of 3/8" thicker there than the top, and allowed air through the emerged opening at the top... the owner used some sort of gasket material he had to replace fairly often... to replace ithe glass or entire window was expensive and had to meet standards of the historical society people..

resin never truly solidifies... its like that glass... a knife across its face will heal over time as it "re pools".  Its handy for these type applications, so long as it is face up amd doesn't cover a large expanse..

We're back to size, though... for areas that have an expanse of resin, I worry it will flow out of the corners and pop out at some point... wood contracts and expands and isnt near as stable as the resin (even though it is moving too)... so... i like using resin on areas where it won't expanse more than an inch or so.  I like using insets for the larger area... that said, I've resined as much as a 10" circle 1"2" deep with no issues (except for coaxing the resin to dry clear and bubble free).

As far as inlays go, I generally use a carefully selected piece of wood for its grain... so it is already tougher than most examples even from the same larger piece.  I like to cut them 1/2" thick so there is a LOT of "refinish" room for boards that see extreme use.  The inlays are just like the rest of the board... theyll scar, but they wont look any worse for the wear even over years... and if they do?  A few passes of increasing grit sandpaper and theyre good again. 

I made a Texas longhorn clock for a buddy's smoke-pit/bar... the inlayed longhorn is maybe 1/4" thick at most (its pictured in the first post).. its likely more like .15 or so.  Its fine and will be for that purpose... the board I made him, though, has a longhorn too- it looks a lot like the clock but the inlay on it is a full 1/2" thiick... and not only because it's a cutting board, but because that guy smokes a lot of ribs and brisket, and he straight up carves on the board.  I gave him the board to do my research for me.  I'll see if I cant find a picture of it...

Sapele, predominately,  makes a dang hard thing to carve up. 
So... Let's say that this is someone who will cut on the nice face of it. It'll be for my in-laws, who are older, and for a board of that size I'm not sure they'll be regularly flipping it over to cut on the back side instead of the front.

So the first thing is that my wife said we shouldn't go larger than 18x24.

But the second portion would be that if someone is cutting on the decorated face, is there a preference between using inlays, resin, etc? Is one more likely to hold up better under actual use?

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Re: Presentation-cutting- Boards
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2020, 06:18:08 PM »


I'll send it your way soon Sir!
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2020, 06:22:59 PM »

The resin has a quality like the old lead glass... remember that stuff?  It "falls"... i rented a business space in the downtown area of a small town that was nearing 100 years old... the glass in the windows "breathed"... the (original) glass had fallen to the base of the frame and was every bit of 3/8" thicker there than the top, and allowed air through the emerged opening at the top... the owner used some sort of gasket material he had to replace fairly often... to replace ithe glass or entire window was expensive and had to meet standards of the historical society people..

resin never truly solidifies... its like that glass... a knife across its face will heal over time as it "re pools".  Its handy for these type applications, so long as it is face up amd doesn't cover a large expanse..

We're back to size, though... for areas that have an expanse of resin, I worry it will flow out of the corners and pop out at some point... wood contracts and expands and isnt near as stable as the resin (even though it is moving too)... so... i like using resin on areas where it won't expanse more than an inch or so.  I like using insets for the larger area... that said, I've resined as much as a 10" circle 1"2" deep with no issues (except for coaxing the resin to dry clear and bubble free).

As far as inlays go, I generally use a carefully selected piece of wood for its grain... so it is already tougher than most examples even from the same larger piece.  I like to cut them 1/2" thick so there is a LOT of "refinish" room for boards that see extreme use.  The inlays are just like the rest of the board... theyll scar, but they wont look any worse for the wear even over years... and if they do?  A few passes of increasing grit sandpaper and theyre good again. 

I made a Texas longhorn clock for a buddy's smoke-pit/bar... the inlayed longhorn is maybe 1/4" thick at most (its pictured in the first post).. its likely more like .15 or so.  Its fine and will be for that purpose... the board I made him, though, has a longhorn too- it looks a lot like the clock but the inlay on it is a full 1/2" thiick... and not only because it's a cutting board, but because that guy smokes a lot of ribs and brisket, and he straight up carves on the board.  I gave him the board to do my research for me.  I'll see if I cant find a picture of it...

Sapele, predominately,  makes a dang hard thing to carve up. 
Thanks. I figured those questions would hopefully be useful for everyone, but I'll take the rest of this to PM... 

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Re: Presentation-cutting- Boards
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2020, 03:22:56 PM »
here are a couple bread boards i literally just finished.... they're duplicate to each other and have no carving (yet)...



Black Walnut, Rock Maple separating, and Sapele. 

While making these and taking a break to snatch up some more coffee, I decided something... I decided these would be really nice as Keureg stands- meaning the surface (the board) for sitting the machine on, and a little drawer below with k-cups... of course the board could be carved for person's/family name or company name.... or team...  y'all think that is something worth prototyping?


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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2020, 10:33:56 AM »
here are a couple bread boards i literally just finished.... they're duplicate to each other and have no carving (yet)...


Black Walnut, Rock Maple separating, and Sapele. 

While making these and taking a break to snatch up some more coffee, I decided something... I decided these would be really nice as Keureg stands- meaning the surface (the board) for sitting the machine on, and a little drawer below with k-cups... of course the board could be carved for person's/family name or company name.... or team...  y'all think that is something worth prototyping?


very good looking bread boards

keureg or regular drip coffee makers

of course mine just sits on the counter
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2020, 10:03:25 PM »
I just pulled these off for a customer who was gracious enough to allow me to share pics... it's a big ol' board and has two matching bread boards.  The reverse side also has a juice sluice matching the resin/inlay side.



a little handle on either side inset into the sepele... I think it's around five or so inches long and 3/4 inch wide, and 3/4" deep... allowing positive grip for paws big or small. 



eh, just another view.... I was aiming for the wine glasses to appear almost as it they were clinking while sitting on a surface (the maple stripe representing a table?) and by someone or two someone's with invisible appendages...(?!) 



the machine (CNC) makes a 'rough pass' which is what you see just after this pic... this is after the 'finishing' pass, and uses a 1/32 ball point bit.  oh yeah... i added a little paint... 





this offers some idea of thickness... the massive board comes in at just a bit over 1.75"... the bread boards just a hair under 1". 



they're soaking up as much board/block oil as they will hold before getting a final pass with 2500grit sandpaper.... and a wipe down- pack em' up and send them on their way.... I'm hoping the new owner likes them!
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2020, 10:58:59 PM »
Beautiful work, Drew!
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2020, 04:37:18 PM »
OH SNAP!!!!

I just picked up a 95w laser engraver, with 28" width and pass through for as long as i want a product to be to go through it, though i'll mostly be focusing on smaller more intricate stuff.... 

this adds a whole new dimension to what i can make!

 @OrangeAfroMan , how would you like to add some "football fields" to your game?  with the CNC Router, it would take upwards of a few hours to produce one... with the laser? minutes, and more detailed... 

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Re: Presentation-cutting- Boards
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2020, 05:20:02 PM »
I got two of these for my kids with Ohio State insignia, they are gorgeous.

 

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