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ELA · « **Reply #98 on:** August 07, 2019, 02:01:43 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 07, 2019, 01:59:39 PM

Do the computers conduct their polling over the internet? Or are they embedded in some sort of humanoid robot body, to blend in better?

Is there any way to tell the humanoid robot computer pollsters from ordinary humans? Are they out to destroy us? Did Billingsley unwittingly create the first edition of SkyNet?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #99 on:** August 07, 2019, 02:22:02 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 07, 2019, 01:04:06 PM

It's always been my opinion that the only poll that matters is the final poll.

The committee does not issue a "final poll", but the AP and Coaches do. It is still possible to have a split championship. That would be remarkable of course.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #100 on:** August 07, 2019, 03:09:43 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 07, 2019, 02:22:02 PM

The committee does not issue a "final poll", but the AP and Coaches do. It is still possible to have a split championship. That would be remarkable of course.

The BCS era lasted 16 years (1998-2013) and it only happened once (USC/LSU in 2003). Even that took an extremely unusual case in which #1 in the pre-bowl AP Poll was neither #1 nor #2 in the final BCS rankings AND that AP #1 had a strong bowl opponent (AP #4 Michigan).

Now that we have four teams in the CFP era the chances of this are, I think, less than minuscule for two reasons:

All realistic contenders for #1 are likely to be included in the CFP, and
Whoever wins the CFP will, by definition, have finished their season by winning back-to-back games against top-4 teams while the best any team not invited to the CFP could do is to win one game against a team ranked no higher than #5.

FearlessF · « **Reply #101 on:** August 07, 2019, 03:46:39 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 07, 2019, 02:22:02 PM

The committee does not issue a "final poll", but the AP and Coaches do. It is still possible to have a split championship. That would be remarkable of course.

this is because the only reason for the committee is to chose the 4 teams for the playoff

Cincydawg · « **Reply #102 on:** August 07, 2019, 04:07:12 PM »

I'm hard pressed to figure a plausible scenario with a split championship for reasons noted, but it is possible. I'd guess the committee would have to somehow overlook two teams that everyone thought were really good but had two losses, perhaps early in the year to formidable foes, and the four selected were viewed as weak, perhaps 2 loss conference champs or somesuch. I dunno, nothing comes to mind really.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #103 on:** August 07, 2019, 04:12:25 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 07, 2019, 04:07:12 PM

I'm hard pressed to figure a plausible scenario with a split championship for reasons noted, but it is possible. I'd guess the committee would have to somehow overlook two teams that everyone thought were really good but had two losses, perhaps early in the year to formidable foes, and the four selected were viewed as weak, perhaps 2 loss conference champs or somesuch. I dunno, nothing comes to mind really.

I doubt it would ever happen but in a crazy enough scenario I suppose it could. Maybe in a year in which you had a slew of 2-loss P5 Champs and one of them got in and won it while two others got left out as #5 and #6 and played each other. Even then, the CFP winner would have those back-to-back wins over really high-end teams to trump the non-CFP team's one win over a high end team.

ELA · « **Reply #104 on:** August 07, 2019, 04:25:27 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 07, 2019, 03:46:39 PM

this is because the only reason for the committee is to chose the 4 teams for the playoff

And yet they release a poll each week for some reason

utee94 · « **Reply #105 on:** August 07, 2019, 04:32:19 PM »

Quote from: ELA on August 07, 2019, 04:25:27 PM

And yet they release a poll each week for some reason

To drive conversation, controversy, and... ideally... ratings for the sport.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #106 on:** August 07, 2019, 04:40:11 PM »

Quote from: ELA on August 07, 2019, 04:25:27 PM

And yet they release a poll each week for some reason

I figure the committee releases its weekly polls for transparency. Their role in CFBverse relies to some extent on the NC outrage quotient being lower now than it was in the BCS era. If their Top 4 were ever substantially different than the Coaches'/AP's and never announced until it were final, that ... would be bad for those teams, the sport, the committee. It feels terrible just thinking up that scenario.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #107 on:** August 07, 2019, 04:42:43 PM »

A better question in my mind is why does the committee's poll extend out to 25 teams? Why isn't it just a Top 10? Or 4/6/8?

To let the fringe teams know their position -- but even then, why extend it this far?

Convention?

To give us a better sense of what they weigh in their evaluations?

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #108 on:** August 07, 2019, 05:31:44 PM »

What if you had a 2-loss playoff champion and a team banned from the post season that destroyed everybody against the toughest schedule? It would be out of the ordinary, but is there anything preventing the AP voters from voting the team on suspension its MNC? (Maybe there is, I don't know.)

Cincydawg · « **Reply #109 on:** August 07, 2019, 05:50:04 PM »

I think the AP can vote for anybody, so you have the most likely, and perhaps only, option, for a split. Let's say Missouri magically demolishes every opponent, and their opponents turn out to have few losses, and they go 12-0 but no further, and the playoff winner is say UGA which Mizzou beat 49-10.

utee94 · « **Reply #110 on:** August 07, 2019, 06:16:31 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2019, 04:42:43 PM

A better question in my mind is why does the committee's poll extend out to 25 teams? Why isn't it just a Top 10? Or 4/6/8?

To let the fringe teams know their position -- but even then, why extend it this far?

Convention?

To give us a better sense of what they weigh in their evaluations?

To drive conversation, controversy, and... ideally... ratings for the sport.

CWSooner · « **Reply #111 on:** August 07, 2019, 06:18:24 PM »

Quote from: SFBadger96 on August 07, 2019, 05:31:44 PM

What if you had a 2-loss playoff champion and a team banned from the post season that destroyed everybody against the toughest schedule? It would be out of the ordinary, but is there anything preventing the AP voters from voting the team on suspension its MNC? (Maybe there is, I don't know.)

Historically, AP voters are free to vote for teams on probation. OU's '74 AP NC was while on probation.

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