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847badgerfan

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #84 on: June 16, 2025, 03:51:07 PM »
Just hung a few strategic damp-rids and turned on the exhaust fans in the bathrooms and kitchen.

Tech said I could try and turn it on after dark to try and get some cool air for sleeping.

The evaporator coil froze so that means there is a freon leak. We'll see.
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« Reply #85 on: June 16, 2025, 03:51:15 PM »
Even before this discussion I suspected that I was an outlier on the lack of heat tolerance side. 
Yep. As am I. My wife calls me a human toaster. I basically radiate heat at all times. 

I don't even mind cold, sub-freezing temps. For me growing up in Chicago, though, I didn't like the 2 1/2 month period where the temp never got above 32. It was just the unceasing cold that seemed to never end--and with a lot of the time in the middle of that, single digit or sub-zero overnight lows. 

To endure that every single day just wears you down. I could much more easily handle Denver, where you get the cold and it might drop 10 inches of snow in a day, but two days later it's 45 and sunny. Even those brief respites from the cold make it easier to handle.

I think that certain areas of coastal California are basically a weather cheat code.  The Ocean (or altitude if you get into the mountains near the coast) keeps the summers as cool or in some areas cooler than the Midwest and the latitude permits you to, as Brad said, throw away the scraper. 
It sure is. And there are two other things. First, even in the hot summer months, it's a dry heat. Which means not only that you're not sweating like a sauna, but that the lack of humidity in the air means that it cools down MUCH more, and much more quickly, as the sun goes down. Second, because it's a desert and there's not standing water, we mostly don't have mosquitos. Which means that as you get to the point when the sun is dropping and it's finally nice to be outside, you're not going to get eaten alive like you will in the Midwest. 

It would be even nicer if I moved somewhere that I didn't have small foothills between me and the water... But that's even more $$$ than here lol...

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #86 on: June 16, 2025, 04:00:07 PM »
Even before this discussion I suspected that I was an outlier on the lack of heat tolerance side. 

At least from the comments on here I think it is pretty clear that @Riffraft is an outlier on the other side.  Even at that, I doubt that he'd feel the same way if he wasn't retired and able to pay people to handle things like yardwork.  I can't imagine that more than a trivial number of people would rather mow the lawn in 112 than 52.  I've worked construction and there is NO WAY I'd want to do that in Arizona.  There aren't a whole lot of people who actually consider 100 degrees comfortable. 

Where I am today it is in the high 70's and, IMHO, uncomfortably hot.  Now granted a lot of that depends on what you are doing/wearing.  At lunch today I had to go home and have lunch with the youngest while my wife took the bigger kids to a splash pad for a foam party thing they were doing there:
  • Even though it is only high 70's, when I got to my truck which was parked in the sun it felt like an oven getting in. 
  • I was uncomfortably hot all the way home before the open window and a/c finally got it down to reasonable. 
  • After lunch with the youngest, I took him to the splash pad to drop him off to my wife.  High 70's is fine in a bathing suit or shorts and a t-shirt but I'm dressed for work in long pants and a long-sleeve button-down shirt and tie.  It was uncomfortably hot carrying a toddler across the parking lot and sitting in the sun with him and the other kids while my wife ran to the van for some things. 
I don't mean to say that high 70's is terrible.  My point is more that this is getting to the high end of my heat tolerance for everyday activities.  I go to work dressed professionally.  Sometimes I have to wear a suit and tie.  I HATE wearing a suit and tie in 75+ weather. 

I think that certain areas of coastal California are basically a weather cheat code.  The Ocean (or altitude if you get into the mountains near the coast) keeps the summers as cool or in some areas cooler than the Midwest and the latitude permits you to, as @betarhoalphadelta said, throw away the scraper. 

Outside of that unusual exception I really wouldn't want to live anywhere much hotter than where I am.  Maybe somewhere RIGHT on the coast in Florida but even at that, only if I was retired. 

When I was a kid we visited relatives in Tucson.  They were very wealthy and retired and had a pool in their backyard.  They had lived in Arizona for decades and despite that, contra @Riffraft they couldn't handle the heat.  It was funny, they literally slept twice a day specifically to avoid the heat.  They never went outside until after sunset.  So they'd go out on the patio by the pool after sunset and stay out until around midnight.  Then they slept something like midnight-4am, then they were back on the patio before sunrise drinking coffee and reading the paper and once the sun came up and it became uncomfortably hot (even to them) they went back into the a/c.  Then they'd take a siesta and get the other half of their sleep after lunch. 

I thought, even then as a little kid, that this seemed great if you were retired and could afford it but for anyone else it would SUCK to live there. 


Along the same vein -- southerners have long held the stereotype as slow, and lazy.  Front porch sitting bums.

Nah, it's just that they know they'll die if they're too active in the southern heat and humidity.  

You can handle it as a kid.  Post-45 is a different animal.

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #87 on: June 16, 2025, 04:08:21 PM »
I think that certain areas of coastal California are basically a weather cheat code.  The Ocean (or altitude if you get into the mountains near the coast) keeps the summers as cool or in some areas cooler than the Midwest and the latitude permits you to, as @betarhoalphadelta said, throw away the scraper. 
Some data on this and on @SFBadger96 's comments related to San Francisco's weather.  I'm just going by WIKI:
Los Angeles:
  • 84 is the highest average daily high in a month and that is in August.  
  • 67 is the lowest average daily high in a month and that is in December.  
  • 65 is the highest average daily low in a month and that is in both July and August.  
  • 48 is the lowest average daily low in a month and that is in December.  
San Francisco:
  • 70 is the highest average daily high, September.  
  • 58 is the lowest average daily high, December and January.  
  • 56 is the highest average daily low, August and September.  
  • 47 is the lowest average daily low, December and January.  
Chicago:
  • 85 is the highest average daily high, July.  
  • 33 is the lowest average daily high, January.  
  • 68 is the highest average daily low, July.  
  • 20 is the lowest average daily low, January.  
When I first brought up a/c I mentioned that I didn't think a/c was all that big of a factor for California's growth like I think it was for AZ, TX, GA, FL.  This is why.  Chicago is hotter in July than LA or SF are in their hottest months.  Note that the swing in the Windy City is 52 degrees from highest high to lowest high and 48 degrees from highest low to lowest low.  In LA and SF those figures are MUCH lower: 21, 19, 12, 9.  

Interior California is different.  Twentynine Palms where my dad was stationed has average daily highs over 100 in May, June, July, August, and September and it is above 90 in April and October.  

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #88 on: June 16, 2025, 04:20:06 PM »
@jgvol Do you take blood thinners ?  Several people I know take blood thinners and much prefer the heat over cold. 


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« Reply #89 on: June 16, 2025, 04:23:47 PM »
Just hung a few strategic damp-rids and turned on the exhaust fans in the bathrooms and kitchen.

Tech said I could try and turn it on after dark to try and get some cool air for sleeping.

The evaporator coil froze so that means there is a freon leak. We'll see.
Good luck.  I've paid for a few air conditioners lately and damn those things are expensive. 

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« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2025, 04:24:25 PM »
@jgvol Do you take blood thinners ?  Several people I know take blood thinners and much prefer the heat over cold.
I think this question should be directed at @Riffraft , he was the one who said he preferred 112 over 50.  

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« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2025, 04:28:04 PM »
The other thing about being anywhere near (i.e. within ~20 miles) of the coast in CA is the microclimates. 

CD touched on this with his discussion of Napa. Napa Valley climate changes quite significantly between the north and south ends of the valley. Sonoma Valley isn't far away from Napa Valley (a small foothill range between them), but climate there is MUCH different. Hence why the same style of wine, made with the same style of grape, can taste very different based on where it's grown, all within a 15-20 mile range. 

Take where I live, for example (red circle in Mission Viejo). You see the Crystal Cove State Park, as well as the empty areas between Aliso Viejo / Laguna Niguel and the coast. Those are all low-lying foothills. Nothing above I think maybe 1000-1200 ft elevation. But they block a good portion of the ocean cooling. So everything from Aliso Viejo and Laguna Niguel, straight up to me is a lot hotter due to those foothills.

Look to the north of me (Irvine and Tustin, just north) and you can see that there's a lot of roads/development between the coast (Newport Beach) and those cities will commonly be 5-8 degrees cooler than where I live in the summer. I can see it in my car's thermostat when driving home from work (off the 405 in Irvine). The minute I get to where the 405 and 5 meet, the temp shoots up. 

Look to the south, and obviously Dana Point will be cooler. Again, if I'm going from my house south on the 5, there is a point where I can watch the car's thermostat drop 5-8 degrees in a mile. But curiously the area that *seems* more inland--the back route from my house to Rancho Mission Viejo, I see the same thing with temps once I hit a certain point cresting a hill because it's suddenly not blocked.

Then... Go over the much bigger mountains northeast of me (Saddleback range in the Cleveland Nat'l Forest) over to Lake Elsinore, and you're talking triple digits for most of the summer. 

5 miles can mean BIG differences in climate here. 



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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2025, 04:33:03 PM »
Good luck.  I've paid for a few air conditioners lately and damn those things are expensive.
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« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2025, 04:36:30 PM »
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« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2025, 04:37:09 PM »
@jgvol Do you take blood thinners ?  Several people I know take blood thinners and much prefer the heat over cold.



No blood thinners for me.

I do not prefer hot, nor cold.  Dry hot > humid hot though.

California's climate suited me just fine.  Neither hot, nor cold.

The PNW climate looks fairly appealing as well.  Lots of rain, but the temps look nice.

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« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2025, 04:38:07 PM »
This one is 6 months old. I'm pissed.

Shouldn't that still be under warranty?  I think I got a year parts on labor on my last one in 2021.  10 freaking k !!

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #96 on: June 16, 2025, 04:50:38 PM »
I think this question should be directed at @Riffraft , he was the one who said he preferred 112 over 50. 
Ah, maybe.  It was a few pages back.  

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« Reply #97 on: June 16, 2025, 05:01:21 PM »
Blood thinners don't really reduce the viscosity of blood (outside of a bad event) or make one feel colder.

Professional Opinion: Does moving to a warmer climate make your blood thin so you can't take the cold anymore? | Hilton Head Island Packet
Professional Opinion: Does moving to a warmer climate make your blood thin so you can't take the cold anymore? | Hilton Head Island Packet

One more concept of blood "thickness" may have to do with an area's altitude. Living at a high altitude will promote the body to make more red blood cells (to help carry oxygen) and hence "thicken" the blood, while moving to a lower altitude, such as coastal Carolina, could then "thin" the blood. But again, the perception of feeling cold doesn't have to do with the thinness of the blood.

Read more at: https://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/professional-opinion-column/article33554922.html#storylink=cpy



 

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