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Cincydawg

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #140 on: June 17, 2025, 05:07:27 PM »
NC climate is basically the same as GA climate and SC climate and AL climate.  I think a lot of the growth is around Charlotte and Raleigh (Research Triangle Area) and in the Piedmont, not in the mountains as much.



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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #141 on: June 17, 2025, 05:11:27 PM »
Quote from: Riffraft on June 17, 2025, 12:49:13 PM
I would never plant grass in the desert. Why plant something you have to water to keep it alive and then have to cut it on a regular basis.  I have artifical turf in part of my backyard and rock in the front and back and desert plants and cacti spread around it. 
Doesn't the artificial turf burn your feet when it's 110?

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #142 on: June 17, 2025, 05:15:02 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 17, 2025, 04:57:39 PM
I *THINK* most of the growth in NC is in the mountainous western part of the state.  Depending on location/elevation some of those areas have reasonably mild temperatures in both winter and summer. 

Those areas aren't nearly as mild (either way) as coastal California but, for a lot of people, Western NC has two major advantages vs costal California:
  • Cost of Living:  COL in NC is a LOT lower than California, particularly the really nice weather parts as referenced repeatedly in this thread by Brad, and
  • Distance to family:  I think that this has substantially limited the number of retirees in SoCal and particularly Arizona.  Charlotte is only 8 hours from Cleveland by car, 10 hours from Detroit, 12 hours from Chicago.  That is a long day or maybe a two day drive.  Phoenix is 27 hours from Chicago by car and obviously even farther from Detroit or Cleveland.  Most people aren't driving that.  If you have family back in the Midwest or Northeast that you plan to visit periodically it is a lot easier to do that from a retirement home in Charlotte (or Atlanta like you) than it is from Phoenix or LA. 


Wiki doesn't have the same climate chart for Charlotte that I used for Chicago, LA, SF, etc but they do say this:  "On average, there are 59 nights per year that drop to or below freezing, and only 1.5 days that fail to rise above freezing."  That is a lot milder than most of the Midwest.  I also *THINK* that their summers are either milder or not much worse than typical Midwest summers.  That isn't as mild as coastal California but if you can't afford to live in Malibu and want to visit grandkids in Cleveland/Detroit/Chicago but don't have unlimited funds for airfare, I could see Charlotte as a pretty attractive option. 
There's a pretty massive tech presence in the RTP area. In fact, this has NC on one of my "possible relocation sites" lists if the right job came along. 

Charlotte isn't as strong in tech, although I do have a buddy there in tech. 

I do think that's also true re: distance. Things out West are VERY spread out. My buddy in Charlotte is a college buddy who grew up in the Indianapolis area. I do think he likes being driving distance from his family as opposed to when he lived out here and you simply can't reasonably get there without getting on a plane. Of course, his wife grew up here, so I'm not sure if she's quite as happy about it lol...

And the weather is true. Not THAT bad in the winter, and the summers are probably a little longer and stronger than the Midwest, but aren't as bad as further South. 
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #143 on: June 17, 2025, 05:20:30 PM »


The summers in Chapel Hill were in no way cooler than in Atlanta.  It maybe snowed a bit more often, that was also rare, once or twice a year.  Charlotte is a biggish financial town, a lot of banks.  The Research Triangle area is pretty obvious in the map above, where you also have UNC/Duke/NCSU within a 30 mile radius.  Oddly enough, Wake Forest U. is not in Wake County today.

Anyway, the state is growing faster than Georgia, which I find interesting.  A good bit of both states are agricultural/small towns.
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #144 on: June 17, 2025, 05:41:02 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 17, 2025, 05:15:02 PM
I do think that's also true re: distance. Things out West are VERY spread out. My buddy in Charlotte is a college buddy who grew up in the Indianapolis area. I do think he likes being driving distance from his family as opposed to when he lived out here and you simply can't reasonably get there without getting on a plane. Of course, his wife grew up here, so I'm not sure if she's quite as happy about it lol...
I'm curious, how do you feel about it?  

For me it would be a MAJOR impediment.  Suppose I had an offer tomorrow in a suburb of LA of SF that was enough money to achieve my lifestyle here but out there.  

Ok, great but I have an elderly mother that I deal with the nursing home for and visit at least weekly.  I also have a niece and two nephews and my kids get to see Grandmas, Uncles, Aunts, and their cousins fairly frequently.  

A job in say Atlanta or Charlotte wouldn't be too awfully bad (too hot for me but just talking distance).  That would be a one-day drive so I could get back once in a while and my kids would see their cousins a few times a year.  A job in LA or SF?  Yikes.  Driving is a humongous endeavor.  I've done that drive, it is REALLY far and unlike driving, flying obviously gets more expensive each time you add a passenger.  It would be prohibitively expensive for me to fly my family back home from California.  
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #145 on: June 17, 2025, 05:50:51 PM »
Alligator populations:

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #146 on: June 17, 2025, 06:04:04 PM »
I don't think folks realize the gator population in Texas before they more there
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #147 on: June 17, 2025, 06:29:46 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 17, 2025, 05:41:02 PM
I'm curious, how do you feel about it? 
Ehh, I'm not a good test case for that. My own personality issues and my long-term slow drift away from my family makes it a bit of a non-issue for me. It's not that there are any actual issues or problems... I've just sort of made a slow retreat from a lot of things over the last several years. 

On the bright side, my parents now live in the Denver area, so they're a lot closer. But I haven't seen them since 2021, when my mom was seemingly on death's door (she got better). But that, again, is a me problem... 
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #148 on: June 17, 2025, 06:51:39 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 17, 2025, 05:07:27 PM
NC climate is basically the same as GA climate and SC climate and AL climate.  I think a lot of the growth is around Charlotte and Raleigh (Research Triangle Area) and in the Piedmont, not in the mountains as much.




Closer to GA than SC. And yes, A lot of it is around those two metros, But I’ve heard they’ve also become a decent retirement spot in the mountains or out at the beach.
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #149 on: June 17, 2025, 07:20:25 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 17, 2025, 05:01:11 PM
Which is?
I can give you a fuller list if you'd like, but the state has a reputation for being "a lot" and having some natural extremities that a lot of folks might not want to deal with. 

Not a slight, just might not be everyone's cup of tea, especially when already leaving a region. 
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #150 on: June 17, 2025, 07:40:28 PM »
NC would be a decent retirement state except for their taxes.  They have a personal property tax that really rubbed me the wrong way.

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #151 on: June 17, 2025, 07:46:36 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 17, 2025, 07:40:28 PM
NC would be a decent retirement state except for their taxes.  They have a personal property tax that really rubbed me the wrong way.
Admittedly I haven't looked at that. I figure everywhere tax-wise is better than here :57:

My BIL just moved from San Antonio back here with his family to CA, as he got a job with the Huntington Beach FD. It's going to be crushing for him tax-wise... In Texas he had no income tax. And as a disabled vet in Texas, he had no property tax... Which was saving a LOT of money. Here in CA he'll have both. (I.e. even if they rent for a while, they're still paying property tax via their landlord.)
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #152 on: June 17, 2025, 07:51:20 PM »
I was just annoyed as a graduate student I had to pony up about $60 a year on my meager property while renting.  My problem is I didn't cheat filling out the form.

I left without paying the last bill, and they came after me a few months later, for their measely $60.
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #153 on: June 17, 2025, 07:58:30 PM »
My cousin and her husband bought a nice place near the mountains near Murphy, NC that they like.  we visited them, it seemed pretty decent place if you're OK with pretty rural areas.  (My wife likes city life.)

Before I met her I had vague ideas about retirement, maybe 20 acres in north Georgia near the mountains with a lot of dogs.  My other idea was to sell everything and get a small RV and see the country for a while.  My wife is VERY VERY negative on anything related to RVs.  It has to do with their image in France.

So, we stay at Hiltons instead.  

I do like it here, fortunately, as we plan to be here a while depending on health etc.  She worries what might happen if I go first but I have pretty well provided for her.  She could sell this place and buy a 2 bdr in the same building if she wanted.

States that have mountains and beaches both are pretty nice I think.  I like Virginia a lot (mostly).  South Carolina might be underappreciated by a lot of folks.  Greenville is a pretty nice small city I think.

I THINK that Triangle area in NC is where their growth is really taking off.  It's in the piedmont region, hilly, gets hot, gets chilly.



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